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Old 03-17-2011, 01:58 PM   #1
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As a new guy in the hobby, I am like a dry sponge, learning and absorbing history, technical data, repair & Maint. etc.... I've been catching up on a lot of articles and Forum threads and quickly noticed how many owners opt to restore their Mustangs as restomods, instead of factory original. I can't help but wonder how many Stangs get the Restomod treatment vs those restored to original, historic specs, and if the tendency is to increase. The Aftermarket for restomod parts and accessories is very strong, and as new generations discover the hobby and adapt it to their tastes and preferences, aren't we loosing more and more original cars with each passing year to the Restomod movement? Do these cars loose value more than an original concourse-restored car?
My opinion is, as much as I like many restomods, I don't like to see a near-original Mustang in good shape (low rust, good original engine) get torn appart and restored as a restomod. But this is my personal opinion. Not to undermine the restomod movement in any way. Please remember this is the opinion of a person new to the hobby.
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The big problem is the shear number of 2 barrel, 3 speed coupes that were produced. You can look at any car show and pretty soon you get tired of seeing the same car over and over. How many original Mustang coupes do we need?
Putting in a larger engine, disk brakes, newer gauge pack or electronics makes the car fit the owner better. It will never be worth what a similar concourse original car will be but that is not what a reso-mod is about. A restomod is about driving a car that satisfies your own desires. There is already a lot of historical cars mine will be "different".
The other side of that coin is I would never put enough money in a triple collision survivor, 2 barrel, three speed, V8 Mustang to restore it. I would have $150000 in a car worth $15000. For a lot of work and a little money I can make the car fit me better than the original did.
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The big problem is the shear number of 2 barrel, 3 speed coupes that were produced. . . . It will never be worth what a similar concourse original car will be but that is not what a reso-mod is about.
That is true if the car is a rare car, like a K-code fastback or something. For a 2 barrel, 3 speed coupe (like mine was) a restomod will get you a lot more than a concours original. My car appraised for well over twice what a very well-restored 2 barrel, 3 speed coupe usually goes for. I know an appraisal and a sale price are two different things. But restomods have been going for quite a bit more than restored plain jane original Mustangs for the last few years, and they are a lot more fun to drive (and safer too).

You really just do the car the way that pleases you. Most restomods could be put back original some day, but there are so many of those coupes around that it'd be easier (and sometimes cheaper) to find another one and restore it.
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Yes it's mostly by taste and most restomods can be returned to original fairly easy, some are modded beyond that. I originally inteded to just drive my C code 289 2bbl coupe (500,000? produced in '67) and enjoy but once I started driving it a lot I realized that the spearOmatic column, nonpwr drum brakes and lap belts weren't going to cut it. It was just too dangerous for me to drive as much as I want to and have my family along.

After one mod or upgrade comes another of course, the C4 was screaming at 70-80mph hwy speeds so when the drivetrain was reworked I swapped in an AOD, can't see it but it'll make a huge difference in useability and mileage. I now consider driving it 1,000mi. for a vacation, something I never would have done with the C4, drum brakes, etc.

Hopefully the heavily modded restomods will start out with a clean Dynocorn shell.
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[QUOTE=PaulS;7466156]The big problem is the shear number of 2 barrel, 3 speed coupes that were produced. You can look at any car show and pretty soon you get tired of seeing the same car over and over. How many original Mustang coupes do we need?QUOTE]

Good point. However, to me, it's not looking at the same car over and over. It is looking at each similar car and validating the owner's claim to originality through careful observation & evaluation (something I could never do right now and I hope someday I can reach that level of knowledge). To me it is a bigger challenge to bring a car to original concours level, than to make a Restomod. Because you really need to do reseach, and know your Mustang history. And concours parts seems to me not as available or as cheap.
I think (and I could be wrong) that an original concours Fastback restored in 1990 is more valuable right now in 2011, than a similar car restored as a Restomod in the same year.
But I also think that the Restomod Style have served to bring more people to the hobby of Classic Mustangs. You just can't resist them! And I think it's good to increase safety and have a better ride in your car, especially if you are going to enjoy it with the family.
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I've been thinking the same thing about this. The number or original cars has to be less because of it. However, some of these restomod cars are cars that needed a complete restoration anyway. So at least they were saved.

I think the term restomod is used a bit loosly. I know that technically my 65 is a restomod since the engine, transmission, rear axle, brakes, suspension and a few other things are not stock. I consider mine hot rodded a little, not really restomodded. In my opinion restomod should be used to describe cars that are more customized, like Eleanor.

I don't really care for the resto mod stuff much at all, especially the way overdone stuff. If you want a new one then buy a new one. Just my 2 cents.

I really do like seeing original or mostly original cars. I don't think that the ones that are in nice condition should be restomodded.

I do also like slightly modded cars as far as drivetrain, suspension, brakes etc goes, but I definitely prefer stock appearance. A few custom touches can be cool, just as long as the car is not cut up. I hate that the most.

By the way, if you wondering if you should restomod that 67 in your signature, I say no way. I love it like that. You could do a few improvements for performance or safety, but I wouldn't change the look of it.
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:57 PM   #7
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were all brought together becasue all of us here love these cars, now with each person being different, with each car never being the exact same. Different projects are made. Mainly oldschool pureist stick with bringing the car to the way it was driven of the lot. My father for example is a pureist.. I myself love these babys but I love to make them my own. Whether changing colors, adding up to date modifications like disc brakes, upgraded stero, upgrading suspension, engine mods and every nut and bolt i can get my lil fingers on.

these cars are great investments wheater your looking into "flipping" them or adding to your collection. everybody has an opinion, but yours is the one that matters to your car nobody eles!! remenber that

Ive seen many restomods go in auction and bring big bucks.
And Ive seen many frame off complete restore to factory condition go for big big bucks-
Its all about how you want your car to be.
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By the way, if you wondering if you should restomod that 67 in your signature, I say no way. I love it like that. You could do a few improvements for performance or safety, but I wouldn't change the look of it.
Nooo way! It's one its way to becoming 100% original (that includes Original Ford aftermarket accesories like the fog lights, etc). I'm working on a list of parts.
By the way, only 9009 Coupe Deluxes were built (vs 233,472 standard coupes). Of these 9009, only 853 came with bench seats.

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You really just do the car the way that pleases you.
Yep!

My coupe was an I6 automatic. It had some deluxe features like the chrome and interior but I liked neither, and basically everything I got was trashed to begin with. With the thousands of other coupes out there, I don't mind resto-modding mine.
On the other hand, my girlfriend's dad has an original 1968 fastback 302 3 speed that he drove as a kid in high school way back when. Fold down rear seat, deluxe this and that. I wouldn't dream of resto-modding that car, and it's not even terribly rare. Just the history of ownership of that car is what would keep me from hacking at it.
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My fastback looked pretty when I got it, but once you start to find repairs made in the worst way possible and realize that much of the shiny bits are aterrmarket junk restoration starts to look very expensive. If I had a car with original parts and some nice options I would have gone the way of a mild restoration...
But, since I plan on driving this car as much as possible I started to think like some of the builders over at pro-touring.com and make the car "better".
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The "resto-mod" movement is just Fords way of saying that "hotrods" are ok too.
This is nothing new, we have had people making their cars better, faster, lower, higher, narrower and wider since the model T.
I am a hotrodder; any car I buy will be modified to fit me and my personality. I do promise that I will not buy a car that is iconic or a superlative example of a model that is rare and collectable. I will let you restore your car in a way that meets your desires as long as you allow me to modify mine in a way that pleases me.
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As a new guy in the hobby, I am like a dry sponge, learning and absorbing history, technical data, repair & Maint. etc.... I've been catching up on a lot of articles and Forum threads and quickly noticed how many owners opt to restore their Mustangs as restomods, instead of factory original. I can't help but wonder how many Stangs get the Restomod treatment vs those restored to original, historic specs, and if the tendency is to increase. The Aftermarket for restomod parts and accessories is very strong, and as new generations discover the hobby and adapt it to their tastes and preferences, aren't we loosing more and more original cars with each passing year to the Restomod movement? Do these cars loose value more than an original concourse-restored car?
My opinion is, as much as I like many restomods, I don't like to see a near-original Mustang in good shape (low rust, good original engine) get torn appart and restored as a restomod. But this is my personal opinion. Not to undermine the restomod movement in any way. Please remember this is the opinion of a person new to the hobby.
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Well, since I'm young (18) I'll give you my opinion. I am not a fan of complete resto-mods, it's just not my thing. However, I've always liked the old mustangs and when I finally get one, it will be changed to my liking (unless I come across an all original GT or something). Mod the engine, 4-wheel disc brakes, t-5, etc... I will keep the exterior and interior as close as possible to stock, but will probably change a few things.

I think most people do mild restoration tweaks because they love the look of the classics but also need the dependability/safety of modern technology. Let's face it, a 40+ year old car with no power steering, no power brakes, all wheel drum brakes, etc... can't keep up with modern vehicles. I want my mustang to keep the classic look but be able to compete with the modern cars as far as driving quality goes.
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I think most people do mild restoration tweaks because they love the look of the classics but also need the dependability/safety of modern technology. Let's face it, a 40+ year old car with no power steering, no power brakes, all wheel drum brakes, etc... can't keep up with modern vehicles. I want my mustang to keep the classic look but be able to compete with the modern cars as far as driving quality goes.
Well said. Classic looks, modern driveability and safety.

Now, what really gets my goat is when somebody calls their car a 'resto-mod' that is all 'mod' with little or no 'resto'. A true resto-mod is a restoration with modernization, not a bunch of aftermarket parts bolted to a rust-bucket.
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Ehh,, Ford mad millions of "concurs" correct Mustangs.... we wont run out anytime soon.

I like a nicely done restoration or a nice survivor, but when it comes right down to it I find some of the lengths some folks go to stay concurs, well,,, ****...

Besides, I like DRIVERS, a dual master cylinder, and electronic ignition are a couple of mods that just makes sense for most any driver....

Concurs correct cars all too often turn into garage queens..... IMO,,, a car that can't be driven ain't worth a damn.
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Are you in the Hobby to re-live the past? Or perhaps you see preserving the car as it was when new, your contribution to history? Don't take me wrong, I am not trying to be snide nor disrespectful. I have observed there are two main types of car lovers: Those who freeze time, and those who drive/modify their cars for fun.
If you buy a car as an investment, it stays parked. Perhaps loved, but certainly un-used. There will come a time when the supply of restorable Mustangs will be exhausted, just as what happened with the Model A. I, for one, choose to drive my 65. I've updated it with a modern driveline, brakes and steering. It is much more enjoyable as a driver now than it was stock. And isn't the Hobby about enjoying your car?
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I have observed there are two main types of car lovers: Those who freeze time, and those who drive/modify their cars for fun.
If you buy a car as an investment, it stays parked. Perhaps loved, but certainly un-used. There will come a time when the supply of restorable Mustangs will be exhausted, just as what happened with the Model A. I, for one, choose to drive my 65. I've updated it with a modern driveline, brakes and steering. It is much more enjoyable as a driver now than it was stock. And isn't the Hobby about enjoying your car?
I will try to bring mine back to factory look and feel, as much as I can and my budget allows. I'll try to strike a balance between expense and car value. I not only want my car to look, but to also feel like a 1967 Stang felt when it came out of the Metuchen, NJ assembly line, bad braking, unsafe, and all. The way I see it, the more 67 Stangs are cut up and modified beyond the threshold where you can bring it back, the more valuable my car will be. I am not sure if I'll be able to bring it to concours level, or how much value it will hold, but I'll do it for the fun of it. I'll drive it on weekends and enjoy the heck out of it with my family on the many weekend classic car meets at home.
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The big problem is the shear number of 2 barrel, 3 speed coupes that were produced. You can look at any car show and pretty soon you get tired of seeing the same car over and over. How many original Mustang coupes do we need?
Putting in a larger engine, disk brakes, newer gauge pack or electronics makes the car fit the owner better. It will never be worth what a similar concourse original car will be but that is not what a reso-mod is about. A restomod is about driving a car that satisfies your own desires. There is already a lot of historical cars mine will be "different".
The other side of that coin is I would never put enough money in a triple collision survivor, 2 barrel, three speed, V8 Mustang to restore it. I would have $150000 in a car worth $15000. For a lot of work and a little money I can make the car fit me better than the original did.

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If you fine an all original, keep it original....Most of us find one that has already been molested, so we stop the pain and bring it back to something that can be appreciated.
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I remember years ago when the restored 1920-1941 cars brought more than the hotrods. Now you get vastly more for a hotrod than you do for a perfectly restored car of the same vintage. Look at what a well built fiberglass body 32 Ford goes for compared to a stock all original 32 Ford. Its a big difference. Both are still expensive, but the rods bring much more.

Then it was the 50s cars that brought more restored, now its the rodded versions bringing the big bucks. The muscle cars are just starting to go the same route, restored cars are starting to level off and the modified cars are increasing in value.

As mentioned here before, there were millions of Mustangs built in the 60s. It took until the 80s for a million Corvettes to be built. Mustangs are everywhere, they were intended to be cheap transportation so the younger generation of baby boomers could afford them. This means what is rare for Mustangs is almost common for other cars. In the Pontiac world, something with 15,000 examples is not a big deal, but with Mustangs that is kinda low production. 697 Trans Ams built in 1969. 276 Formula HO 455s built in 1972. 5000 GTOs built in 1972 and not that many more in 1970. Those kinds of figures are extremely rare in Mustangs, you are talking BOSS 429s and GT500KRs, not basic V8 Coupes.

There is no shortage of Mustangs, despite the serious rust issues they have. Mustangs will be the first 60s and 70s vehicles to have modded cars bringing more than concours perfect examples, simply because there are so damn many of them. Already it is difficult to restore a Mustang and get your money back, particularly if you pay to have the work done, but still if you do all the work yourself. The 71 in my sig will never be worth what I put in it if I put it back stock, but with the right mods I can make a nice profit from it if I sell it.
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I bought my car about four years ago from the original owner. It came with a written history of every repair and oil change and even written diaries of trips he had taken in it. There was a box in the trunk with every license plate which had ever been on the car (from back when we got new plates every year). I even have the orginal window sticker and loan papers. There was 1965 road map in the glove compartment. The car had never been dented and the original interior was not worn. I took the car apart to repair a lot of midwestern rust but I replaced nothing. I repaired, which was more time consuming. It has power steering and I am not bothered by drum brakes since (at age 59) I grew up with them. I drive this car every chance I get, including driving it to work. For a car this original, modding it would have been unthinkable to me. One the other hand, I like modded cars too. If this car had not been so original I would have replaced some body panels, added disc brakes, etc. To each their own. It is your car. Do what makes you happy.
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The way I see it, if you have a car and look at it everyday but never drive it, then you cack off, what enjoyment is there in that?
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