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Old 09-25-2006, 03:03 PM   #1
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I'm looking to resto-mod my 1967 Mustang. I'm going to the the typical things (4 wheel disc brakes, Overdrive transmission, Rack and pinion steering, etc...), but I want to drop in a 4.6L engine from a 1996 to 2004 Mustang coupled with a six speed manual transmission (converted from an automatic). I want the motor to have all ODB II capabilities, including a DLC to help diagnose any problems it develops. I am also planing on running cats to use the downstream O2s (but cats only, no mufflers). I am wondering if anyone knows if any of this has ever been performed, and if any modifications have to be made to the car, engine, wiring, or computer to make this work.
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Old 09-25-2006, 03:10 PM   #2
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a 4.6L is going to be a tight fit but it is do-able. the tranny from a 96-04 will not fit without modification.

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Old 09-25-2006, 04:48 PM   #3
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I know they don't belong but I need to use them if I'm gonna run this setup.
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Old 09-25-2006, 04:50 PM   #4
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I figured the 4.6 would just drop right in, since its bout the same size as the 289 blcok that is in it right now. I know custom mounts might have to be made though for the motor.

I know they don't belong but I need to use them if I'm gonna run this setup.
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Old 09-25-2006, 04:53 PM   #5
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dont go by pure displacement numbers....a 4.6 is closer to being able to GIVE BIRTH to a 289 block than it is to being the same size i would say....
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Old 09-25-2006, 04:53 PM   #6
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the 4.6L is physically bigger then most Big Blocks
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Old 09-25-2006, 05:13 PM   #7
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Not ALL 4.6 engines are that big, only the DOHC engines. The regular 4.6 engines in late model Mustang GTs and F150s are about the same size as a regular 302 or 289. If you are going to go with the 4.6L DOHC such as those found in the Mustang Cobra and the Mach I (I believe), then major engine compartment fabrication is going to be needed, such as losing the shock towers.
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Old 09-25-2006, 05:34 PM   #8
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I don't know what the distance from the bottom of the shock towers are on a 67, but on my 65 it is only 24 ". However, on my 03 Mach1 with a 4.6 DOHC, the distance is 10 inches further apart at 34 ". You may have a few more inches to play with over my 65, but certainly not 10. Wasn't it the SN65 that they crammed a 4.6L in? I don't remember all the details, but no doubt they altered the engine bay drastically to get that big sucker in there.


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Old 09-25-2006, 06:43 PM   #9
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Just because one has DOHC and the other is a SOCH doesnt mean that one is vastly smaller. Modular means parts interchange easily. that means take a 2V block and add 4V heads and you have a poor mans 4V with the same displacement. A 289/302 is tiny. I can almost lift the entire engine by myself, no lie. We have pulled them out of Mustangs by hand, just grab the exhuast manifolds and yank.

A 4.6L is wider than the BOSS 429 in DOHC configuration, and even wider than a 460 in SOHC form. Then they are taller as well and a tad longer than the FE and W/C engines. Fiting one in a 67-70 is going to be a tight fit, much like dropping in a 460. Nothing will bolt up, not one single thing. it must all be fabricated or bought in a kit to do it.

I figure that if I would be going for the expense and time involved with a 4.6L swap, why not do a 5.4L instead? Go for the inches, put the Cobra top end on it and you now have a poor mans GT engine. Just dont turn up the boost too much. Still around 450 net HP would make a 67 Stang haul tail real well. its just gonna be expensive getting there.


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A quality Welder, not a cheap little 110V flux welder, you need a good one.
A level floor because you will have to reassemble the entire car with the new valve train and getting the front wheels on in the right place isnt a slap it in there type thing.
A sawzall or simliar tool, because there wont be much left of the front end and floor pan of the 67, its a fast way to get it gone.
precision measuring devices, because you want the car to go straight down the road, not dog tracking..

If you want to go that route, hope you have deep pockets, and the SN65 was a Cobra that had the body removed leaving just the floorpan and drivetrain, and a 65 body dropped over it. not something you can do in the driveway or apartment complex parking lot. that takes ROOM, lots of ROOM to do it. My shop is 50x50 and a disassembled 71 fastback takes up MOST of it.. I can only get one other car in there to work on it with all the parts and tools required for a major restoration or job such as that would require.

Or you can just buy the stuff, and listen to the guys who say its the same size as a 289 and try to make it fit. Good luck with it..

They do run well though..

Alternatively, look into a 5.0L swap with the EFI and everything else. much simpler, cheaper, and wont take up more room than I have.
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Old 09-25-2006, 06:44 PM   #10
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Sounds like a cool project, but I agree on the no cats.
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Old 09-25-2006, 07:15 PM   #11
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I'm looking to resto-mod my 1967 Mustang. I'm going to the the typical things (4 wheel disc brakes, Overdrive transmission, Rack and pinion steering, etc...), but I want to drop in a 4.6L engine from a 1996 to 2004 Mustang coupled with a six speed manual transmission (converted from an automatic). I want the motor to have all ODB II capabilities, including a DLC to help diagnose any problems it develops. I am also planing on running cats to use the downstream O2s (but cats only, no mufflers). I am wondering if anyone knows if any of this has ever been performed, and if any modifications have to be made to the car, engine, wiring, or computer to make this work.
Yeah, the compuers on those 67's use those old tube transistors. I would recommend updating it to a mac.
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Old 09-26-2006, 12:51 AM   #12
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Soaring, the SN65 used a blown 4.6 Cobra engine with updated mechanical and electrical systems throughout (including AC, hydro-boost power steering and breaks, ABS, traction control, etc…)...They still had shock towers but they were not the typical '65 shock towers...

my1967stang, you should check out the SN65 project....it has lots of info on what you want to do...
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Old 09-26-2006, 04:12 PM   #13
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Very cool link, they did the same thing I did with the grill...

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Soaring, the SN65 used a blown 4.6 Cobra engine with updated mechanical and electrical systems throughout (including AC, hydro-boost power steering and breaks, ABS, traction control, etc…)...They still had shock towers but they were not the typical '65 shock towers...

my1967stang, you should check out the SN65 project....it has lots of info on what you want to do...
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:26 PM   #14
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The only thing I don't like about SN65 is the front apron (or valance whatever you want to call it). The two little air ducts look like they just ran out of ideas and cut two holes in the front (although Im sure those are functionally needed to feed that cobra beast). I think they could have made a front apron that more closesly fuses the front bumper styling of the 03-04 cobras.
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:27 PM   #15
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Yup, I know what you mean.. It almost looks like an after thought.
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:29 PM   #16
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hell it would have looked better if they had just used the glass ones that have the intake scoop where the license plate usually goes.
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Old 09-26-2006, 05:42 PM   #17
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That's very true, it would have looked much nicer. I would have put the signals between the grill and the head lights (were the gills are) and used the signal opening as the air ducts.

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hell it would have looked better if they had just used the glass ones that have the intake scoop where the license plate usually goes.
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Old 09-26-2006, 09:42 PM   #18
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You will have to remove the shock towers or at the very least knotch them. The 4.6 SOHC and DOHC are very close to the same size.

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Old 09-27-2006, 01:18 AM   #19
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i would get a 93 mustang 302 cause its MAF EFI and it will fit and more than likely require light modifacation
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Old 09-27-2006, 01:22 AM   #20
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^....Maybe not the 93 5.0's though because that was the first year they came with hypers. Go back a year to 92-- you'll get the same power ratings, same setup, only with forged pistons!
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