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Old 12-17-2007, 06:59 PM   #1
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Default Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

I have a 66 coupe with a 289 and the next step in fixing it up is the engine. I am trying to decide weather I should get the engine rebuilt or get a crate motor. The crate that i have been looking at is the ford racing 302 that puts out about 350hp. It is the cheapest crate engine that i can find that will make decent power. I want to make about 350 or so hp, and hopefully have a 13 second car with a C4. Im not really sure if that is possible cuz i dont know much about racing but i hope so. If I got a rebuild I would replace almost all of the parts. Let me know what is best... I am only 17 so money is definitely a factor, I want to keep it as cheap as possible but have a good engine.

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Old 12-17-2007, 07:08 PM   #2
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Default RE: Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

You can get a good rebuild for much less than the crate engine. The 350 HP will take some money, but you can always add stuff like an intake, headers, etc. later.

Get a good rebuild with a warm cam and everything else can be done later...

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Old 12-17-2007, 07:08 PM   #3
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Default RE: Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

Welcome to the forums first off

You may not think of it because people always look at upgrading the motor first but what kinda ratio are your gears in the back? a 3.55 or 3.73 would REALLY wake that thing up.

That being said..... whats your budget?
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:10 PM   #4
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Try taking a look at these motors. Since i work for this crate engine builder I won't push rebuilding or going crate.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:21 PM   #5
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I forgot all the money stuff. The ford crate engine is about 3600. I have about 2500 saved, but i can prolly get the rest as a loan from my parents. I am just worried that the rebuild will keep adding up because it would take machine work, and then all the parts.

I am going to switch the rear end ratio to something in the high threes, once I get back there...

P.S.- This forum is crazy, all these responses in just a few min. This is more info then I have gotten in months from emailing clubs and stuff.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:21 PM   #6
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Default RE: Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

First Off Welcome to the forum!!If your looking to get more power/speed think about the rear gearing!3.73 for instance will make a big difference and is the motor worn out or are you looking to upgrade?Crate motors cost big$ compared to rebuilding and you can extra power thru headers,cam,intake,etc.Good Luck with it!![8D]
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:26 PM   #7
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Default RE: Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

welcome to the forum.

i would suggest that you rebuild the 289. it will be cheaper to go this route and you will learn a lot more about motors if you rebuild it yourself.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:29 PM   #8
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I forgot all the money stuff. The ford crate engine is about 3600. I have about 2500 saved, but i can prolly get the rest as a loan from my parents. I am just worried that the rebuild will keep adding up because it would take machine work, and then all the parts.
You'll learn quickly that any project you start is going to quickly exceed your planned budget I tore into my 289 thinking I was going to do a mild performance rebuild for $2k. I ended up shelling out a good $5k (including other miscellaneous things that needed to be done) and finally dropped a well-built 331 in.

The rule is, try to figure out how much everything is going to cost, then double it:P Basically, don't plan on borrowing money before you even start the project. Chances are you'll never get it completed like that.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:31 PM   #9
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http://www.tandlengines.com/347_stroker.html


i dont have experience with them but read good things and you cant build something that good for that money.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:37 PM   #10
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i bought the 350hp ford crate motor from summit. added headers, rpm intake and a good carb. im happy
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:08 PM   #11
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Default RE: Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

tandl is a great choice, but if i were you i would stick with a 289 and just build that puppy to tear some ***
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:14 PM   #12
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http://www.tandlengines.com/347_stroker.html

i dont have experience with them but read good things and you cant build something that good for that money.
I've gone both routes. To start, I hopped up a 289. Tore it down and delivered it to the machine shop in pieces and we talked through how I wanted it done. It was awesome and I learned a lot. I put it back together with a few upgrades and the thing screamed. Best bang for my buck with what little money I had to work with. (I'd mention numbers, but this was over 10 years ago, so it'd look extra cheap!)

A few engines after I blew that one up (had an unavoidable poor oiling situation), I now have a 347 stroker from T&L. This one is way faster than my 289, but it arrived in a crate. Granted, I know how to build a motor now, but still. I did miss that part of the experience even though this engine is more powerful. It was a gift, so I didn't pay for it and therefore I can't comment on bang for the buck. (However the DVD of the dyno was excellent inspiration for dropping that new engine in as soon as I could!)

I think I'd still go with the rebuild, though. You can build the same engine and acquire the parts over time so that it's not one big lump sum and that'll help defray the cost of the unexpected items you discover you need as you dive into the project.
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:42 PM   #13
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Listen to the wench, her words are wise.

The experience of doing it yourself is great. You're seventeen. Harness that teenage energy. Jump right in if you have the facilities to tear the engine out and take it apart. Find a machine shop that will educate and work with you. You'll learn a lot, and the pride of building your own motor will be immeasurable.
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:51 PM   #14
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Default RE: Engine rebuild or Crate motor?

I would love to do the work myself, but I dont have all that much free time, and I'm worried that I wont do as good of a job as someone else could. What do you think? how hard is it, how long does it take and stuff? would I need to buy a bunch of tools and everything to do it or what? I also have no idea what parts combo to use, so I would need someone to help me figure that out...
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:31 PM   #15
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its really not as hard as you may think, and most "specialty" tools needed can be gotten for free via free tool rental at your local auto parts store.

what you'll need is:

any "how to build a motor" book, even a chiltons or haynes book for your car will show you the things you need to know such as torque specs and specific procedures. 98% of what you need to know you'll learn while breaking down your motor anyways. plus, if you ever had a question about anything these forums are a great tool to pull the resources of all our brains.

a basic socket set and maybe a few wrenches
a torque wrench (free tool rental)
a ring compressor (free tool rental)
a CLEAN place to assemble. keeping sand/grit/dirt/grease out of your motor while its being built is a very important thing if you want it to last.

umm.... thats about it. you'll need a harmonic balance puller (free tool rental) to get the balancer off when your tearing down the motor.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:59 PM   #16
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I purchased a long block 302 from S&S engines in spokane wa for 1,300 with a core deposit that aint bad- i installed an RV cam for 50$ i believe i should have atleast 300hp

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Old 12-17-2007, 10:10 PM   #17
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a) manley valves are junk (REALLY, they are)
c) badger pistons are crap, they coulda spent another couple bucks and used silvolites which are much much better quality.
b) NOBODY "diamond hones" guides.... thats funny
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Old 12-17-2007, 10:28 PM   #18
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your lucky that car started out in such great shape. Mine on the other hand isn't so lucky. But doing the work is definately a new and awesome experience. (did i mention im 16, almost 17?) you may not have the time NOW, but once you get started on it you wont find time to do anything BUT work on the stang . Im addicted.
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Im only 18 and i strongly agree on the rebuild... i bought my 72 in pretty bad shape and although shes got quite a bit of bondo in the rear, i love the car to death and have really learned alot and apreciate the car alot more (and saved tons of money.) Just take your time and try no to borrow money, especially if you plan on moving out or going to college... let me tell you its expensive. Use the forms and your buddies when you need and take your time with the rebuild so you get everything right. Just dont loose sight of it and try not to rush, i have had my stang for a year and a half and its come a long way. Good luck and welcome to the forum

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I've got a 70 302 that as I started to think of what I need to do to it to get to my goal of 400/400 I quickley decided to go crate. Done a lot of research on this and have heard very positive things about ford racing 302. If I was not looking for a little more hp/torque that is the route I would go. Your C4 and rear end should handle it. You can go lower in future would not go any lower than 3.5s - start revving to high after that. I went with 3.4 & traction loc - hit 3k at about 60. Whatever you do you'll learn from the experience. Another point to consider is delivery time - some of the custom builder can take up to 3 months. From what I heard Ford motor are usually in stock and available right away. Good luck.
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