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Old 05-19-2009, 08:33 PM   #1
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hi guys i really wanted to get a tach liked the idea of a rally pac but not the price :P....i just found one on craigslist listed as a 66...its listed at 150 dollars so im going to assume its not in "mint" condition soooo is there a place i can send this away to get it re restored because im no electrician ....if so how much would it cost....i know its not much help not having pics but the guy should be emailing me them soon...once i get i will post but a ballpark estimate would help...and lastly 66 and 65 rally pack is the same right!?!?!...(it is a 65 NOT a 64 1/2)
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:23 PM   #2
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You have a '65 so you'll probably want the '65 RP which is NOT the same as a '66 (though they will both work mechanically in either car).

IMO, having owned and restored an original RP and having bought one of the Oval Industries repop RP's, I'd save the dough for the repop. By the time you get done restoring the original, you'll have spent probably as much or more.

Look on Ebay and you can get a nice FORD licensed RP for $360 through Sacramento Mustang.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-...Q5fAccessories

A used one on ebay will run at least $200.
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Old 05-20-2009, 06:10 AM   #3
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i got the one from sacramento mustang as well. It includes the wiring harness and installation manual (it's the original manual so expoect a lot of fun figuring it out).
Like gothand says they are different. Low style (64.5-65) and high style (66)

here's the low style (64.5-65):
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and here's high style (66):
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mounted they look like that:
low:
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high:
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Both can be ordered with the following options:
6000 or 8000 rpm
ford script in tach, mustang script in tach.
As far as I know even coloured.

The 8000rpm versions are said to be not readable but I haven't seen one in person so far, so can't say.
For a stocker the 6000 rpm version is plenty

I have the low-style 6000 rpm version
will make a proper pic later

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Old 05-20-2009, 03:25 PM   #4
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just found out it is a 65 original guy says it works well and that the paint is a bit "chipped" so do i tottaly wanna steer away still (guy doesnt have a camera so i have 2 go to his house)and it is a 6000 rpm still bad or?
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nvm looked at it saw it was trash guy got a little angry and he told me not to be on craigs list if i was a perfectionist :P
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The 8000rpm versions are said to be not readable but I haven't seen one in person so far, so can't say.
For a stocker the 6000 rpm version is plenty
Agreed. In the early 90's, I came across a garage sale while visiting San Luis Obispo, CA and a guy was actually selling a bunch of hi-po Mustang takeoff parts. I picked up an 8,000 rpm '66 Rally Pac that I gave to my younger brother for his '66 vert. The tach is tough to read!! At that same garage sale, I picked up a console for AC and manual tranny for $25 as well but passed on the original hipo manifolds for $10. Oh, those were the days.
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Old 05-20-2009, 10:42 PM   #7
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...and lastly 66 and 65 rally pack is the same right!?!?!...(it is a 65 NOT a 64 1/2)
No. The 64 always had the high-profile type. The 66, unless installed by a careless dealer, always had the low-profile type. The 65 could go either way, depending on the type instrument cluster. The high-profile was always black, but the low-profile was color-keyed to the dash. The one in my 66 is light blue, for example.
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Ya got that backward, pardner. This is the high-profile type:
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This is the low-profile type:
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mounted they look like:

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I think you can see why the 5-gauge version is called the low-profile.

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2+2 if you look at the pictures the one you are calling the low profile one is actually sitting higher than the other. I think kalli had it right.
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I did some research and it seems that most people call the later one the low profile.
It is sitting higher alright, but maybe the cut in the middle section is the reason they're called low profile.

So ignore low/high and just go with: "64-65" rally pac for the long type speedo and 66 rally pac for the clock type speedo

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The 64-65 vs 66 is correct, it has nothing to do with they type of gauge cluster in the car. 65 GTs with the 5 dial cluster use the 65 RallyPac. Also the tach reads MUSTANG on the originals, not FORD. At least all the ones I have seen. The rallypac was available as a dealer accessory for other than mustangs and had the FORD script.
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The 64-65 vs 66 is correct, it has nothing to do with they type of gauge cluster in the car. 65 GTs with the 5 dial cluster use the 65 RallyPac. Also the tach reads MUSTANG on the originals, not FORD. At least all the ones I have seen. The rallypac was available as a dealer accessory for other than mustangs and had the FORD script.
good info with the dial. I've seen the "ford" rally packs in a F150 truck once.
Anyway, sacrametonustang (as mentioned before) carries every single type and model you can imagine.
The price is horrific, but original ones that don't work go for 200$ on eBay ...
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65 GTs with the 5 dial cluster use the 65 RallyPac.
Nope . The high profile was strictly dealer-installed if the car had 5-gauge cluster. The factory used the low-profile color-keyed units with the 5-gauge.

Now, a lotta cars had dealer installed 'Pacs, so it's easy to understand a lot of confusion. They also sold these over the counter by the thousands.

The high-profile is a real problem with 5-gauge clusters, because it was made to be mounted in contact with the steel dash below the Falcon-style speedo, the contour of the housing matches perfectly, and includes two rubber bushings to prevent squeaks. You have to shove these way up the column, though, on 5-gauge cars, because the top of the housing hits the speedo bezel, scraping the chrome off the bezel and chipping the paint off the top of the 'Pac housing.
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Am I a traitor to direct you to a thread from another Mustang forum? It's just that there is a lot of good information there that I don't want to re-write. Also, I attached a great pdf on that thread with lots of good information and images of Rally Pacs. I still cant figure out how to attach things here. I restored an original Rally Pac last year that included stripping and re-painting the case. It looks like new now. If you go that route, I can offer some tips on how to do this and a suggestion on a good wrinkle finish paint to use. Also, Gary the "Tachman" is one of the best at rebuilding tachs, including Rally Pacs.

http://allfordmustangs.com/forums/cl...rally-pac.html

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Nope . The high profile was strictly dealer-installed if the car had 5-gauge cluster. The factory used the low-profile color-keyed units with the 5-gauge.

Now, a lotta cars had dealer installed 'Pacs, so it's easy to understand a lot of confusion. They also sold these over the counter by the thousands.

The high-profile is a real problem with 5-gauge clusters, because it was made to be mounted in contact with the steel dash below the Falcon-style speedo, the contour of the housing matches perfectly, and includes two rubber bushings to prevent squeaks. You have to shove these way up the column, though, on 5-gauge cars, because the top of the housing hits the speedo bezel, scraping the chrome off the bezel and chipping the paint off the top of the 'Pac housing.
Well, I have never seen the 66 style come from the factory in a 65. I have delivery photos of our 65 when it arrived in Korea and the 65 rally pac is original and the car never saw a dealer. Its also on the invoice. Granted it is an early GT (June 1965) and an export car shipped directly from Dearborn through New Jersey Export Operations to Korea. Perhaps another case of the factory using up what they had before new stock came in for the 66s. The 66 rally pac would have been white to match the original lower dash/steering column color (its blue now). Ours is the 65 style, all black. Did not know about the contours of the 65 style matching up with the falcon IC, although ours fits fine, one gauge to either side of the speedo with the 'rally pac' logo just below the speedo bezel. When did the 66 rally pac start going out? Was it before the end of 65 production?
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2+2 if you look at the pictures the one you are calling the low profile one is actually sitting higher than the other. I think kalli had it right.
NO. The center bar of the early style is so high it blocks the lower part of the speedo. You don't have to believe me- measure them.
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When did the 66 rally pac start going out? Was it before the end of 65 production?
Well before, it was developed for the 5-gauge cluster. You'll find used ones in palomino (65) and parchment (66), bright red (65) and deep red (66) medium blue (65) and light blue (66), etc.

As to anecdotal high-profile units in 5-gauge 65 cars, why not? Common practice at dealerships, and if the factory didn't have a white one handy for a car, I doubt they'd hold up production until one arrived, they'd stick whatever was handy in the car.

I've been tinkering with these things since the 70's, when you could get them in working condition at car shows like Carlisle for $25.

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…Perhaps another case of the factory using up what they had before new stock came in for the 66s.
Sure. They were selling cars, not making it easy for us. GT badges and styled steel wheels are commonly referred to as "65" and "66", but actually the "65" style of both was used until about the end of September 1965, two months into 66 production.

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ok im very confused now do i want the ones that have the rally pac bar or the 1s that are colored to the same as the dash to have a correct reproduction rally pac?(its a 65 with engine temp gauge,fuel gauge, and speedometer)
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if you have then long speedo then the 64-65 would be easier to the eye (the obne with the bar saying rally pac).
if you have a round speedo then the 66 style would probably look better as in our pictures above
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kk i have the stock long speedo so ill do that thanks again guys!
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