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Old 05-25-2009, 10:07 AM   #1
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Is there such a thing as an aftermarket anti-lock break system? Any sort of traction control aftermarket parts that could be put into my '68 mustang? I'm putting a lot of power in and I want it to be safe.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:14 AM   #2
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I'm sorry, but this post is an oxymoron. IMO, which many may disagree with, you need to be the ABS and traction control. You put a lot into making your car a high performance machine, but then want to put in devices that limit your ability to use it. I recommend a good high performance driving school as the best form of ABS/traction control.

If you still want it, try a google search. I know several people who have adapted late model Mustang ABS to their classic, but there may be other less expensive ways.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:18 AM   #3
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ABS is for typical drivers who would normally panic and lock up, but actual ABS and traction control typically will slow a vehicle down, or make it take longer to stop. If you know how to control your car you'll stop faster without ABS and handle better without traction control.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:43 AM   #4
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I was expecting plenty of "learn how to drive" replys. What I want is something that I can turn on and off.

I know plenty of excellent drivers, some who drive professionally, who have stories of how they have spun their car around accidentally and almost killed themselves or wrecked their classic. It happens to the best AND the worst of us.
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Old 05-25-2009, 11:40 AM   #5
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what you should do is to put in a proportioning valve. a good lot of my friends' cars spin the rear out under heavy breaking. This is something that you should avoid.
If the brake system works correct and you lock up all wheels you just slide. and as mentioned above a trained driver handles this easy. if only the rears lock up you need to be skilled to bring the car back into control. Especially when wet as things happen _very_ quick then

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My understanding is that ABS only kicks in during lockup so if you are a skilled driver you should be able to stop the car in the same distance whether it has ABS or not because you don't lock up the brakes. Even if a non ABS car has the ability to outperform an ABS car I doubt it matters for a regularly street driven vehicle. If you are going for a dedicated track car it may hinder performance from what I've read but its based mainly on the driver.

I'm going to put abs on my 68 but only because I'm using the complete drive train and suspension from an abs car so for me its just a matter of hooking up the abs unit. I don't think there are any aftermarket ABS systems available and if you were able to find one I wouldn't trust it. I wouldn't imagine retrofitting an abs system from a modern car would be an easy task. I know the ABS sensor on my car are built into the hubs so I have no idea how you would get that to work on an old mustang without using the whole suspension.

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Well, I thought I had seen an add on ABS brake setup in a car magizine, but actually ABS was a brand name.

Anyway, I went to their website to look for the ABS setup, they did not have one, but they do have a lot of trick brake parts, replacement push rods, ELECTRIC power brakes...

Kinda cool so I thought I might share... No prices so if you check things out and pricing is out of control,,, sorry...

http://www.abspowerbrake.com/maincat...ameset010.html
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I'd look into it. I am thinking about it. I an doing an AJE kit, and using stock spindles and the have the ABS exciters on them. I don't care if your Mario Andretti. Someone dart out in front of and you jab the pedal just getting the foot to the pedal, it locks up. If you have time to think about how hard to press before your foot hits the pedal, then it wasn't really a close call.
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The problem with ABS is if you do get even a minor lockup, the ABS system starts modulating brake system pressure, and the brake pedal motion makes it VERY difficult to modulate the system yourself to regain full braking potential. With a non ABS car you just ease of the brake pedal, on an ABS car the pedal oscillates rather violently and you have to completely let off and then get back on. Plus ABS valves can be a pain to deal with after you change pads or try to bleed the system, and if they're not maintained properly can result in highly unpredictable braking, or no braking at all.

Yeah, a good driver with ABS will most of the time never be into the ABS, but on the occasion you get a minor lockup, even one wheel, it can be a problem. Remember too that ABS was developed to account for idiot drivers who couldn't operate their vehicle correctly in the first place, not as an assist to an already good driver.
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Like everything, ABS has it's pros and cons.

I have had the **** scared out of me twice by ABS, both times were when the technology was closer to being "new". Once in a mid 90s Ford pickup when aproaching a stop sign on a gravel road the system prevented the lockup is WAS COUNTING on to stop me.... I was half way in the thankfully empty intersection by the time I stopped.

I remember a similar but less pronounced effect another time while driving the same vehicle on a wet road..

I have not had any other "bad" experiences with ABS, and I drive a lot.

I can say for sure that ABS has it's place, AND it is more effective if the driver alters his or her style to acomidate the system....

I like the idea of ABS on cars my wife and kids drive... I can't say that ABS has kept ME out of any trouble, but maybe it helped me once and I didn't even know it.... (but I don't think so!)
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Old 05-25-2009, 02:20 PM   #11
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That's the general idea. for the average driver in the average situation, ABS keeps them out of trouble that they would get in most of the time. A car in a full skid takes longer to stop than a car with ABS active, and a car with ABS active takes longer to stop than a car under full braking without ABS(remember, ABS has to release braking force to unlock the wheels before it reapplies the force, so a portion of the time when ABS is active is spent with virtually no braking at all).

Like you said, it has it's places. I personally hate ABS for the simple fact that I don't like anything to encroach on my ability to operate a vehicle, it adds an element of unpredictability to the driving situation. Nothing sucks more than to be on top of a situation, only to have a computer take over and add a variable to a situation that you weren't counting on.

What I'm waiting for is the "ABS" that Renault developed for their F1 cars(which was disallowed by the rules) to make it's way to street cars. It uses advanced on board computers that basically hold braking force at maximum, keeping the tires on the verge of lockup, but without locking/releasing like a traditional ABS. It radically reduced stopping distance on their F1 cars they tested it on, but the FIA felt it would allow higher straightaway speeds that the current chassis safety wouldn't hold up to under impact, so they disallowed it. Basically you mash the brake pedal, and the computers clamp the brakes to the absolute max, but without creating any lockup.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:54 PM   #12
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I'm with 67mustang302. ABS is designed for the average driver, and the average driver is an idiot. No offense to all the average drivers out there, but most people just don't know anything about braking systems, physics, etc. They know that they have a 'go' pedal and a 'stop' pedal and that's about it.

ABS is definitely good for the average driver. Most people will simply stomp on the brakes in an emergency. The problem with this is that it takes away any ability to steer the car. ABS allows you to steer in such emergency situations.

Unfortunately, ABS doesn't always work as anticipated (as JMD figured out), and it can take away control from a driver educated enough to work a non-ABS system properly. It's also often a very complicated system with many parts that require complicated and expensive service when they 'break.' ABS systems are also designed around the whole car they are put on. If improperly swapped to another vehicle, they won't work properly and may actually be dangerous.

Stangtjk is in a unique position to transfer an entire ABS system over to his car along with the suspension he swapped. Unless you do something similar, and unless you're very familiar with brake mechanics, I wouldn't even think about it.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:16 AM   #13
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ABS is great for stopping skids and I like it when I need to slow down on an icy road going downhill on an 8% grade or if a kid runs out in front of me but most of the time you don't need it. So what I'd like is an aftermarket system that can be deactivated or prevents only activates on wheel lockup.
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It's stupid to say things like these aren't needed or warranted. Just because you build a car doesn't mean you really know how to drive it. Just because you buy a gun doesn't mean you're a Navy Seal.

Op, I don't know of anything aftermarket like what you're speaking of. I wish more drivers realized they weren't Mario Andretti.
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I just watched a NASCAR race. I saw a lot of professional drivers lock up their brakes in emergency situations. Apparently, they need someone to teach them how to use the brakes more effectively.

Being able to use the brakes to their maximum and outperform ABS is a good theory, but almost never happens in an emergency. I have seen countless every day accidents where people skidded in to an object/car where if the tires had been turning they might have steered around it. In the real world, ABS and vehicle stability control are tremendous safety items. IMO
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Most people will simply stomp on the brakes in an emergency. The problem with this is that it takes away any ability to steer the car. ABS allows you to steer in such emergency situations.
Finally, someone who understands WHY ABS exists. It allows for steering of the car when one stomps on the brake, IF one maintains some sort of composure in a panic situation, one can still steer the car clear of the problem.
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It's stupid to say things like these aren't needed or warranted. Just because you build a car doesn't mean you really know how to drive it. Just because you buy a gun doesn't mean you're a Navy Seal.

Op, I don't know of anything aftermarket like what you're speaking of. I wish more drivers realized they weren't Mario Andretti.



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I just watched a NASCAR race. I saw a lot of professional drivers lock up their brakes in emergency situations. Apparently, they need someone to teach them how to use the brakes more effectively.

Being able to use the brakes to their maximum and outperform ABS is a good theory, but almost never happens in an emergency. I have seen countless every day accidents where people skidded in to an object/car where if the tires had been turning they might have steered around it. In the real world, ABS and vehicle stability control are tremendous safety items. IMO



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Finally, someone who understands WHY ABS exists. It allows for steering of the car when one stomps on the brake, IF one maintains some sort of composure in a panic situation, one can still steer the car clear of the problem.


Somebody had to say it. These guys DID.

There are those who certainly can outperform ABS. I'm guessing most people driving on the street aren't among them.
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