F15Falcon Roller Spring Perches. WOW!
04-10-2010, 05:16 AM
#12
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Daze clearly not opentracker. Daze is MIA as Gun said:
www.dazecars.com
bought shelby drop templates of him once, just very similar stuff he and the fella on ebay are making ;-)
www.dazecars.com
bought shelby drop templates of him once, just very similar stuff he and the fella on ebay are making ;-)
04-10-2010, 05:35 AM
#13
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Yeah opentracker is NOT the same as Daze.... two completely different companies/people.
I've never heard of "F15Falcon" roller perches, they sure look nice but I don't see how they will be any better than opentrackers or the like (and it doesn't seem to have come with the rubber insulators, the price is similar though). Let us all know how they fit and work when installed
I've never heard of "F15Falcon" roller perches, they sure look nice but I don't see how they will be any better than opentrackers or the like (and it doesn't seem to have come with the rubber insulators, the price is similar though). Let us all know how they fit and work when installed
04-10-2010, 07:27 AM
#14
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Actually, they do come complete. I had new perches laying around so I sent them in to him. I pulled off the insulators and have them at my shop I'd like to get my hands on the other perches and do some side by side comparisons.
04-10-2010, 11:53 AM
#16
Join Date: May 2006
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Just to clear things up, Day and I are good friends along with being business people. We help each other out a lot on design and producing parts. He is a great guy and will bend over backwards to help anyone.
I was the first to produce a roller spring perch and put it on the market. Why it hadn't been done in the 40 years prior to that is still a mystery to me. They should have came from the factory with them IMO. I showed people how to make them from the start, produced DIY kits and I don't think of anyone selling them as competition. They make the cars safer to drive. The more of them there are on the road, the safer we all are.
It does say in the listing for the F1 perches that he started making them after seeing a set on a AMC racer years ago. I made my first set from my own idea's, having never seen or herd of them before. He didn't start selling them on ebay until 5-6 months after I did. I wish him well and he does produce a fine roller perch. We both have excellent feedback on them.
ORP is not my only job. It honestly started as a joke. I made a few sets and gave them to my friends and they all said I should do something with it, I said "no way, I have a good job". The requests kept coming in and it grew into ORP. Now I do it for fun and to make a few bucks to pay for the track time. It also allowes us to sponsor several pro race teams, donate a lot of parts to car clubs, car events, folks in our military, kids with cancer and other worthy causes.
It also led me to design and produce the first roller control arms and double roller perches. Now ware are making roller parts for some AMC cars, the early Nova and the 62-65 Ford Fairlane.
Just FYI, we have a forum member special going on the roller perches of $175 including shipping to all 50 states.
Our email is opentracker@sbcglobal.net , I'll be glad to answer any questions anytime.
I was the first to produce a roller spring perch and put it on the market. Why it hadn't been done in the 40 years prior to that is still a mystery to me. They should have came from the factory with them IMO. I showed people how to make them from the start, produced DIY kits and I don't think of anyone selling them as competition. They make the cars safer to drive. The more of them there are on the road, the safer we all are.
It does say in the listing for the F1 perches that he started making them after seeing a set on a AMC racer years ago. I made my first set from my own idea's, having never seen or herd of them before. He didn't start selling them on ebay until 5-6 months after I did. I wish him well and he does produce a fine roller perch. We both have excellent feedback on them.
ORP is not my only job. It honestly started as a joke. I made a few sets and gave them to my friends and they all said I should do something with it, I said "no way, I have a good job". The requests kept coming in and it grew into ORP. Now I do it for fun and to make a few bucks to pay for the track time. It also allowes us to sponsor several pro race teams, donate a lot of parts to car clubs, car events, folks in our military, kids with cancer and other worthy causes.
It also led me to design and produce the first roller control arms and double roller perches. Now ware are making roller parts for some AMC cars, the early Nova and the 62-65 Ford Fairlane.
Just FYI, we have a forum member special going on the roller perches of $175 including shipping to all 50 states.
Our email is opentracker@sbcglobal.net , I'll be glad to answer any questions anytime.
04-10-2010, 11:39 PM
#19
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I have a set of F15 roller perches, and as the OP said, the quality is by far the highest I have seen outside of a "big name" aftermarket suppliers (Edelbrock, FRPP, etc.) - and, frankly, higher than some of those.
That said, I noticed absolutely zero handling or ride quality differences after installing them.
If you stop and think about it a rubber spring perch in no way causes true "binding" from an engineering perspective - i.e. it does not stop your 4 bar linkage (your front suspension) from moving.
Rather, the friction produced between the metal and rubber effectively fights compression or rebound of the suspension. On compression, this friction would effectively produce a higher wheel rate (i.e. it's harder to compress the suspension) and on rebound, effectively a lower one (i.e. it's harder to rebound the suspension).
Really, they act like an additional damper of sorts.
Truthfully, I think the only effect that roller bearings have is that they speed up the response time of the suspension to bumps and other imperfections in the roadway.
Personally I doubt that they improve suspension response time more than reducing un-sprung weight (light weight wheels and tires), but then the price is lower.
OP - Have you read the book upon which you have the roller perches perched in your picture? Truly a classic.
Good luck...
That said, I noticed absolutely zero handling or ride quality differences after installing them.
If you stop and think about it a rubber spring perch in no way causes true "binding" from an engineering perspective - i.e. it does not stop your 4 bar linkage (your front suspension) from moving.
Rather, the friction produced between the metal and rubber effectively fights compression or rebound of the suspension. On compression, this friction would effectively produce a higher wheel rate (i.e. it's harder to compress the suspension) and on rebound, effectively a lower one (i.e. it's harder to rebound the suspension).
Really, they act like an additional damper of sorts.
Truthfully, I think the only effect that roller bearings have is that they speed up the response time of the suspension to bumps and other imperfections in the roadway.
Personally I doubt that they improve suspension response time more than reducing un-sprung weight (light weight wheels and tires), but then the price is lower.
OP - Have you read the book upon which you have the roller perches perched in your picture? Truly a classic.
Good luck...