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motormitch 07-18-2014 02:33 PM

Zombie 222 - Electric Super Muscle Cars
 
Hi,

I was directed to this forum by my friends at the Garage Journal who have been following a new business I have started that involved a 1968 Mustang Fastback. This is the shop build thread if you are interested in that sort of thing.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=199243

The business, Bloodshed Motors, is to combine leading edge electric dragster power trains into a limited production run of the most iconic vintage American muscle cars starting with what is, in my humble opinion, the most iconic of all. The 67/68 Fastback Mustangs. As I have been making progress on the first car, modeled Zombie 222, it was pointed out to me that I was not in fact the first person to do this and there was a member here named Sailfish11 who actually pioneered this as far back as 2009. I read his thread and my friend was right. Sailfish11, wherever you are, I tip my hat to you sir.

There are some differences in the exact approaches and the amount of performance we are trying for, but the vision is very close. I also plan to do it to all the famous cars over time.

Reading his thread leads me to believe that the group here might find my particular build interesting, so I will post a condensed version.

motormitch 07-18-2014 02:55 PM

Zombie 222 update
 
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We started with a very clean 1968 Fastback out of Houston. It was rust free, original metal and had not collision damage. This is pretty musch the rule for any car will convert. That and I will not convert a rare car like a fullly loaded numbers matching s code.

We have been able to make all modifications in such a way that they can be reversed.

Here is the starting car for the first Zombie 222.

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motormitch 07-18-2014 03:14 PM

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Next step is drive train removal... 289, C4 tranny and 8" rear gone.

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motormitch 07-20-2014 01:48 PM

I can't tell if my pictures are posting or not. I can't see them even though I am logged in the forum. I wonder if it is because I am so new to the group and not posted enough? Could someone reply to just tell me if you can see the pictures I have posted in the last two posts?

Chromeshadow 07-20-2014 02:47 PM

Pics show up for me. What are you planning for drive train and batteries?

motormitch 07-21-2014 08:38 AM

Spec the new motors
 
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Now pick the two new motors and couple them into one giant motor in a Siamese configuration pioneered by John Wayland and used in the White Zombie. Allen fabricated a quad motor mount system for the motors.

motormitch 07-21-2014 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by motormitch (Post 8410503)
Now pick the two new motors and couple them into one giant motor in a Siamese configuration pioneered by John Wayland and used in the White Zombie. Allen fabricated a quad motor mount system for the motors.

Warp 11s and Lithium Polymer batteries

motormitch 07-21-2014 10:26 AM

motors going in
 
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Here they are going in and fitting like a glove....

motormitch 07-22-2014 08:22 AM

hooking them up
 
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Now let's start the wiring process and installed the massive Zilla controllers that can handle 400 volts and 2000amps each. Notice the controllers are positioned to look like valve covers as a salute to the big blocks...

sailfish11 07-22-2014 04:10 PM

Outstanding! It looks like you've got a great project going there. You're starting off with a car that's in a LOT better condition than mine was. That should make the conversion much easier and straight-forward. I was always trying to balance the restoration part of the project with the electric conversion part - put a lot of strain on my time and pocketbook.

It looks like you're putting together a DC system, correct? How many cells are you planning on using?

motormitch 07-22-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sailfish11 (Post 8411045)
Outstanding! It looks like you've got a great project going there. You're starting off with a car that's in a LOT better condition than mine was. That should make the conversion much easier and straight-forward. I was always trying to balance the restoration part of the project with the electric conversion part - put a lot of strain on my time and pocketbook.

It looks like you're putting together a DC system, correct? How many cells are you planning on using?

The battery pack final design is still a bit up in the air. The leading design (most expensive of course) is to use 384 Kokam cells that are special order and used in military applications. It would be 4P 96S configuration with 3600amps and 355 volts. The cells are 3.7v and 30Ah with a 30C 10 second rating. That's the 3600a 10 second discard needed for maximum track performance and yet with a 42kWh pack I will get the needed street range. The specs we are committed to are: 750-1000hp, 1800 lb-ft Torque, 0-60 in 3 seconds or less, hopefully in the low 2 second range, running the 1/4 mile in the mid to low 10s and a minimum of 125 mile street cruise range. I have been positioning the car as a Electric Super Muscle Car because those performance numbers will put it in that class. My partner, John Wayland, has set world records with his White Zombie and is confident we can deliever everything. The problem is price. Just the cells for that battery pack are $65K and I had budgeted 30-35K when planning the business.

I am looking at some other cells including another Koham that is a 75Ah with 15C 10 second discharge. If I only use a 2P, 96S pack, I would get 2200amps for track use and actually pick up the kWh to 53. I would be adding an extra 250 lb. I worry that the 0-60 and track times can't be met with that pack, but testing will help. The extra street range might be worth it to some buyers. Those cells would be $45K. One hope is for some new cells we are testing that might give me 3200amps and 355v with 45Kwh range in the 35K range, but they out of China and unknown to us.

I will be running the car at the San Antonio Raceway Aug. 3 and 5 using a friend's drag pack that we help me dial in the right minimum numbers.

Gotta go eat. I will be posting more pics in a little while.

Mitch

motormitch 07-23-2014 06:55 AM

New Rear
 
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Now we tackle finding and installing a rear end to handle all that power, running down a strip and driving on the highway.

I selected a floating 3 link with watts from Street or Track. Shawn has been awesome to work with and the products have been top notch so far. The rear comes with 13" Wilwood brakes and we selected a Strange ford 9" HD Aluminum center section. The tallest ring and pinion I could get from Strange was a 3.0, but I found a 2.47 that was used for while in town cars. I may get a custom shop to make a 2.0 if possible. When you have 1800 lb-ft or torque at RPM 1, you don't need or want something low a 411. I need top speed gearing.

motormitch 07-24-2014 08:09 AM

testing battery pack
 
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We got a chance to use a battery pack for one night that comes out of Big Daddy Don Gralits Swamp Rat 37 electric rail dragster. He is 81 and tying reset his 1972 world record first ever 200 MPH run on gas, using all electric. He is currently up to 184.

Anyway the battery pack is the most powerful automotive pack ever built with over 1.5 megwatts of energy.

Here 2 of the four modules that make up the whole pack.

The total weight of the pack is 500lb and the little red knob lever you see in the trunk is the oh **** handle that disconnects the battery pack from every is pulled. Like a parachute handle. In this case it's connected it to the shift lever in the floor of the car since we didn't have a transmission anymore.

motormitch 07-29-2014 07:20 AM

paint job
 
I wanted to post some pictures of the paint job, but I seemed to have lost the ability to attach pictures like I was doing before. Did I break a forum rule or something? Hit a limit?

motormitch 07-30-2014 08:45 AM

Zombie 222
 
If you want to see more pictures and the finished product, you can go to my indiegogo crowd funding campaign at www.igg.me/at/zombie222 or you can also check out the wen site at www.zombie222.com

motormitch 08-12-2014 07:58 AM

track times
 
We took the Zombie222 to San Antonio and raced against 1967 Fastback with a 438CJ and then a 2011 GT500.

The 67 got embarrassed and we beat the GT500 by a full second.

67 1/4 mile - 15.2
2011 GT500 1/4 - 13.1
68 ZOmbie222 - 12.1 with a 0-60 time of 3.5 seconds
ere is the video of the first 12.1 run


The is the race with the GT500 from a GO PRO on the GT500.


This is a great video from the Zombie 222 when it ran 12.1 against a really built TransAM. The burnout is great and watch how fast the guy gets left behind.


sailfish11 11-13-2014 04:09 PM

Awesome!

69FB 11-23-2014 09:45 AM

Makes me want to move back to Austin so I can come see your shop and this car.

guitarman376 11-24-2014 12:16 AM

Very cool project. Advice take it or leave it: I have read bad things about those aluminum center sections causing premature gear wear/failure in high power applications...I would say you qualify as that and then some...something to read about

motormitch 02-02-2015 11:06 AM

No overdue update on the Zombie 222
 
Wow, A lot to talk about. The Zombie 222 has continued to progress nicely and set a record or two.

First, I bought my own battery pack. Now I no longer have to mooch batteries to test the car and improve it. I am using Lithium Polymer Prismatic pouch ultra high power cells. 960 of them. Here are some pics.


http://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/mustangf...23665270b0.jpg


http://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/mustangf...1447414324.jpg


http://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/mustangf...998e8532e8.jpg


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