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Old 10-21-2009, 10:38 AM   #21
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Here is what I got for alignment specs
Front roadside 1/4 positive both sides
canister 1 1/2 - 2°
16 tow in

any help?
You DON'T want any POSITIVE CAMBER, especially with wide tires. 0 to -.5 will make it corner better because it will keep the tire surface flat in a turn.

The caster setting looks ok with POSITIVE 1 1/2 to POSITIVE 2 degrees

I think you need to look really good at the steering and suspension for worn or sloppy parts to correct you car changing direction with a bump though.

From Daze site for front end alignments:
1960-1966 Mustang and Falcon
Performance Alignment with or without UCA drop”.

These specifications are in order of importance.

1. NO more than .25 degrees difference between driver’s side and passenger’s side.

2. +2.0 to +3.5 degrees caster.
NOTE: for cars with Adjustable strut rods. Please attain as much caster as possible using the shims (at least 1.5 to 2.0 degrees), and then use the adjustable strut rods to increase the caster and make the sides the same. Also, please note that the caster difference between the driver’s side and passenger’s side needs to have no more .25 degrees difference prior to the adjustment of the strut rods.

3. -.5 to 0 degrees camber. No positive camber, please. There is no problem having a slight variation from driver’s side to passenger’s side to account for the crown in the road.

4. 1/16" to 1/8” toe in

Good Luck and be Safe
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:55 PM   #22
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Here is what I got for alignment specs
Front roadside 1/4 positive both sides
canister 1 1/2 - 2°
16 tow in
Thanks for posting the alignment specs. I reading them as:
Camber: +.25*
Caster: +1.5* - +2*
Toe In - 1/16"

First the alignment shop should have been able to give you a computer print out of the starting and finshing alignment specifications. There should be camber, caster and toe settings for both the right front and left front wheels.

Now for your settings, Ron's information is on the mark.

Toe settings:
First to help you understand toe settings, here is a brief description:
Toe would be the angle of the tires as rotated on a vertical axis. Toe-In would basically be pigeon toed and Toe-Out would be duck-footed. Your toe-in setting of 1/16" is within the acceptable range.

Camber settings:
Camber is how much the tire/wheel is tilted. If the tires/wheels are tilted in at the top, as you are looking straight at the front of a car, this would be negative camber.
So Negative camber would look like this: /-----\
and Positive camber would look like this: \-----/
Your positive camber settings are contributing/causing the tires to rub the fenders. Like Ron said, you need to change the positive camber to negative camber.

Caster settings:
Caster is the angle of the steering axis. If you were to draw a line through the ball joints on the upper and lower control arms you would have 0 degrees Caster. If the lower control arm is moved toward the front of the car you would be increasing positive caster. Like I posted earlier - The easiest way to describe it would be to think of a bicycle and angle of the front wheel fork. If the fork that connects the handle bars to the front wheel were to be straight up and down (0 degrees Caster) you would constantly need to steer to keep the bike going in a straight line. Now if the front fork were installed at an angle (think chopper - Positive Caster), you could take your hands off of the handle bars and the bike would continue to track in a straight line.

The Caster settings that you posted would be acceptable, but I am surprised with the way you are describing the manners of your car at highway speeds. I would go back to the alignment shop (or another alignment shop) one more time and ask them to:
- change the camber from the positive setting to between 0.25* and 0.50* Negative camber
- increase the Caster to at least 2.0* Positive Caster.

There are two ways to set Caster on our early model Mustangs. One way (the easy way) is to pull the front wheels forward by tightening down on the strut rods as much as possible. The other way is by adding shims to the front mounting bolt of the Upper Control Arm. The problem with adding shims to the control arms, is it changes the camber setting, so there is a lot of back and forth and trial and error to get all of the settings correct.

A lazy shop (or one that does not know how to properly align an older car) will crank down on the strut rod and say "That's all of the Caster that is available". You need to find a shop that knows older cars and is willing to put in the time and effort. It will, also, cost more then aligning a modern car.

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Old 10-22-2009, 12:31 AM   #23
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just a courtesy note, the current issue of mustang monthly speaks specifically about front end alignment. that neg toe is not helping your situation at all, which means your tires are pointing outward, duck feet.
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:09 AM   #24
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I agree with groho. You do not want duck feet. That will cause handling problems and waste fuel in the process.
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I think he posted that his toe settings are 1/16" toe in.

You measure toe as either in (pidgeon toed) or out (duck footed). 1/16" toe in, is a great setting for a street car.

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Old 10-22-2009, 07:43 AM   #26
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I guess I overlooked that. I was just going by what he just said. The slight tow in is good.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:44 AM   #27
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I wonder if there isn't something wrong with one of the tires. Where the tires ever driven on when the alignment was out of whack.
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Old 10-22-2009, 07:42 PM   #28
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nba1341,

Can you list your front end componenets? Do you have any non stock items?
- Upper Control Arms
- Lower Control Arms
- Strut Rods
- Spindle (especially if you have a brake swap that requires the Granada style spindle)

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Old 11-02-2009, 11:40 PM   #29
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Ok I will get this information this week

as for the tires

I crashed into a curb and killed one of my rims and front tires (passenger side) 2 years ago and the upper control arm broke

that was replaced and currently I have 2 different sets of tires front and back

also the treading on one is like straight and the other has a weird design in it

Could this be also the cause of the problem that the treading on the tires from the front and back is completely different?


and yes balding is seen on the insides of the tires as they were driven on for a while when the alignment was out of whack.

I know that all my suspension components are stock (replaced with newer parts) but they are pretty much direct replacements

as for the brakes i need to find out on that because I did get a front disc brake kit
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Old 11-03-2009, 12:08 AM   #30
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Has anyone checked to make sure you don't have a broken belt in one of your front tires? That will cause a car to be all kinds of unstable.
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