Anybody with some feedback about ProCharger. I'm looking for a supercharger and ProCharger seems to have the complete kit including the intercooler for the best price. Would 8 psi get me a good power gain without sacrificing durability and reliability.
mdvaldosta
12-02-2004, 09:06 PM
yea 8psi would treat you right and get you around 350 = 375 rwhp
Redline03GT
12-02-2004, 09:32 PM
Procharger has recently become the best brand of centrifugal supercharger on the market, at least that is my opinion. They come air to air intercooled stock, so you can run the 8psi of boost safely and reliably. All the supercharger requires is that you pump the right amount of octane fuel, as well as change the self-contained oil every couple thousand miles, and thats about all. Go to their website and request a catalog - they send you like 15 pages of information on your application and more.
Birdieman4
12-02-2004, 10:36 PM
Procharger has recently become the best brand of centrifugal supercharger on the market, at least that is my opinion. They come air to air intercooled stock, so you can run the 8psi of boost safely and reliably.
I agree. If I had to pick a centrufugal blower, I'd go Procharger. Of course, you could always go twin screw. (get a Kenne Bell, you'll be much happier)
FoxGT
12-02-2004, 10:43 PM
self contained<tapped oil pan
Acer2428
12-02-2004, 10:57 PM
Wait, huh?
Redline03GT
12-03-2004, 12:45 AM
Self contained may be worse than tapped oil pan in some cases, but the Procharger is still the best centrifugal, mainly because of its air to air intercooler.
And yes, notice i said best centrifugal supercharger on the market. Like Birdieman says - Kenne Bell Twin Screw is the best.
mdvaldosta
12-03-2004, 03:19 AM
only reason procharger is considered the best is because they sell a cheap intercooler with their kit. vortech w/ an intercooler > procharger w/ an intercooler IMO if your comparing the P1SC to the vortech S ... the D1SC is nice so is the F1 ... if you want the best for the $$ though get a Novi2000 - and if you got too much money then get a KB or send the money to me :D
Redline03GT
12-03-2004, 03:39 AM
I thought that Prochargers with air to air intercoolers were better than Vortechs Aftercooler simply because the Aftercooler was air to water, which was not as efficient as the air to air... Could you please explain why the Vortech kit is better?
Valek
12-03-2004, 08:25 PM
Does the KB requires any regular service after install?
FoxGT
12-04-2004, 08:15 AM
ORIGINAL: Redline03GT
Like Birdieman says - Kenne Bell Twin Screw is the best.
For low-mid RPM.
ORIGINAL: Redline03GT
I thought that Prochargers with air to air intercoolers were better than Vortechs Aftercooler simply because the Aftercooler was air to water, which was not as efficient as the air to air... Could you please explain why the Vortech kit is better?
Air/water can be more efficent with just ice & no water cooler assembly, it takes away less psi when the air travels through it & cools it more depending on the size of both. Air/water is more of a low speed intercooler, like for if you live in a city & you are in alot of stop & go. Air/air is a good intercooler for higher speeds like highway driving.
A blower that is tapped into the oil supply will last longer, even though the oil for it is specifically for superchargers. However a supercharger with its own oil will offer a little more power.
mdvaldosta
12-04-2004, 12:24 PM
ORIGINAL: Redline03GT
I thought that Prochargers with air to air intercoolers were better than Vortechs Aftercooler simply because the Aftercooler was air to water, which was not as efficient as the air to air... Could you please explain why the Vortech kit is better?
alot of folks also run Paxton intercoolers with the Vortechs instead of the aftercooler
me alot fast than u
12-04-2004, 12:35 PM
really how eff. is an air to air cooler?..not very.....
Birdieman4
12-04-2004, 03:02 PM
ORIGINAL: Redline03GT
Like Birdieman says - Kenne Bell Twin Screw is the best.
For low-mid RPM.
Roots blowers are good for low-mid power. Twin screw blowers are good for low-high power. Isaac, don't you have a KB on your car?
mdvaldosta
12-04-2004, 03:13 PM
air / water is more efficient... water is a much better conductor of heat - only prob with water is that it heat soaks fast
Birdieman4
12-04-2004, 04:48 PM
Does the KB requires any regular service after install?
The only service required on a KB is making sure the self-contained oil in the blower stays full. Basicly it is service free. I never had to add oil to my twin screw ever, and I checked it regularly.
Valek
12-04-2004, 11:02 PM
How do you change the oil in the ProCharger? Do I need to take it apart or does it has a drain or something
Birdieman4
12-05-2004, 12:06 AM
It drains out from below and fills up on the top. There is a 1/2' screw cap that comes off for filling. It's really easy.
FoxGT
12-05-2004, 12:45 AM
ORIGINAL: me alot fast than u
really how eff. is an air to air cooler?..not very.....
Very efficent at lowering temperatures, the problem is you lose pressure because of the path the air has to take.
ORIGINAL: Birdieman4
ORIGINAL: Redline03GT
Like Birdieman says - Kenne Bell Twin Screw is the best.
For low-mid RPM.
Roots blowers are good for low-mid power. Twin screw blowers are good for low-high power. Isaac, don't you have a KB on your car?
Installed one on a friends car, never on any of mine. I'm not talking about how good they are unless you are referring to good as efficient. Roots are really efficient in low rpm, twin screw are really efficient in low-mid, & centrifugal is really efficient in high rpm. So a centrifugal is more efficent than a twin screw in higher rpm. Roots & twin screw are almost equal in efficiency in low rpm. & neither can rival the twin screw in mid rpm.
ORIGINAL: mdvaldosta
air / water is more efficient... water is a much better conductor of heat - only prob with water is that it heat soaks fast
As far as temperature cooling if you pack ice in with the water, an air/water is the most efficent, problem is when the ice melts. Air/air will will cool air more at higher speeds than the air/water. It is also more reliable, requires less maintainance, & cost less.
Air/water will cool air more at lower speeds, give better throttle response, have a lower pressure loss, and have less compressor surge. Air/water also doesn't require as much space, because it uses less plumbing.
Birdieman4
12-05-2004, 05:51 PM
nstalled one on a friends car, never on any of mine. I'm not talking about how good they are unless you are referring to good as efficient. Roots are really efficient in low rpm, twin screw are really efficient in low-mid, & centrifugal is really efficient in high rpm. So a centrifugal is more efficent than a twin screw in higher rpm. Roots & twin screw are almost equal in efficiency in low rpm. & neither can rival the twin screw in mid rpm.
...Well put, Isaac.
Valek
12-05-2004, 06:39 PM
I agree with everybody about the twin screw being the best choice specially with an auto tranny since you get instant boost. The bad part is that the twin screw costs around 4,500 to 5,000 without the cooling sistem. With ProCharger all you need is a set of 42lb injectors and you pay like 3,400 to 3,600.