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Shifting from 1st-2nd, 2nd-3rd and 3rd-2nd - NOT GOOD :(

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Old 04-08-2014, 08:31 PM   #1
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I am a new Mustang owner. (2014 GT with the 6-Speed manual, 3.73 rear diff). I am coming back to manual transmission after 9+ years of Auto tranny driving.

I am having problems shifting from 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd and back from 3rd-2nd. These shifts aren't smooth, especially downshifting from 3rd-2nd. Do I need to rev match? The rest of the gears shift smoothly and YES I'm depressing the clutch all the way down. This behavior doesn't change whether the car is cold or warmed up, although I've noticed it happens at lower engine speeds. At higher speeds, these shifts are smooth. I've only driven the car about 600 miles so far (picked it up last week at 297 miles) and am wondering if it gets better in a while.

Anyone having similar experience with their cars?

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Old 04-09-2014, 05:47 PM   #2
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hokay ...... so turns out it is USER ERROR!

Went to my local dealer and had the car checked out. The Service Rep drove it and couldn't find any problems with it. Went to another dealer who had a track pack GT on the lot and pleaded with him to let me drive that car on their lot or have their sale person drive both cars and see if he can find any difference. They were kind enough to let me drive one and I couldn't tell the difference between mine and the "other" car's gear changes. They both shift the same way.

So I think, after 11 yrs of automatic transmission (with some paddle shifted transmissions thrown in the mix) I need a little more miles to get acquainted with this transmission intricacies. I'll wait for 4-5k miles and see if I learn it back!

Maybe its the carbon fiber clutch?
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Your dealer is full of crap. There is well documented issues from forum members, including myself and my 2013 GT about how stupid shifting from 2nd to 3rd is. A good short shift kit will correct the issue
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Not to take away from the short shifter suggestion (cause it's a good one) but I've seen the same in my '14 GT (1500 miles).

I think the 3rd to 2nd can be mitigated with rev matching. I still buck occasionally on 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.
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Not to take away from the short shifter suggestion (cause it's a good one) but I've seen the same in my '14 GT (1500 miles).

I think the 3rd to 2nd can be mitigated with rev matching. I still buck occasionally on 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd.
So I take it you haven't yet changed to short shifter??
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I have not. I'd like to but it's soooooooooooo low on my priority list! Only way I'd pull the trigger at this point is if a new one popped up on craigslist for a price I couldn't pass up.
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well maybe you should move it up on your list. The MGW shifter gives this car a much improved feel, along with the whiteline trans mount filler. my 14 really seems to shift nice now.
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well maybe you should move it up on your list. The MGW shifter gives this car a much improved feel, along with the whiteline trans mount filler. my 14 really seems to shift nice now.
OK. I just ordered the MGW shifter and they say it should be shipped out in next week's batch.

I did it a little bit of research on the Whiteline Trans mount and its confusing. Some people say it made no diff and some say now everything works fine. BUT, almost everyone says it increases NVH (mostly drive line noise which you can even hear over the exhaust notes). I was wondering what is your experience with it. Regardless of cost, most of the people say its for race use - I don't intend to do that.

My problem is first and foremost, it just doesn't feel right how the 1st-2nd-3rd and 3rd-2nd shift occur and sometimes I'm not sure which gear I just picked, plus the sound scares my wife who is now reluctant to sit in the car so I need this thing fixed.
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Something else ... deleted ... that still works.

http://www.shop.bondraperformanceengineering.com/

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did shifter and trans mount at same time. My trans mount filler slipped right in. Dont really notice any extra noise of Vibration from it. Hear from guys were if its tight they have been getting some. so they have been cutting off the flat tab. theres a few post on it here and on the Moddedmustang.
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Something else that will likely help is a "Clutch Pedal Extension" ..... seems expensive, but it works. Your brake doesn't go to the floor so why should the clutch? Both legs start at the same hip in the same seat. Back in the day the clutch pedal was higher at rest than the brake, that still works.

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Nice suggestion ..... But I'm 6' 1" and I have 2 kids sitting in the back (this one is sort of a boy's car in our family - and my two boys are a bit young to drive at the moment so I'm caring for the car for one ) engaging/disengaging the clutch isn't the issue here. I fully disengage the clutch by habit. The problem is the feeling of the shifter itself and if u look at hoe it us constructed you'll see why it acts the way it does.

I looked at different options, like just installing a polyurethane bushing only OR changing the shifter itself and decided to change the shifter. I'll post back here when it is done and share if it solved the issue.

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did shifter and trans mount at same time. My trans mount filler slipped right in. Dont really notice any extra noise of Vibration from it. Hear from guys were if its tight they have been getting some. so they have been cutting off the flat tab. theres a few post on it here and on the Moddedmustang.
Which flat tab??
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Just a moment ago re-read your posts .... you have a 14 with the 6 speed and I haven't much experience with those.

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Which flat tab??
If you get the whiteline trans mount filler. If you look at it. It has 2 oblong pieces then a flat piece that engage your stock bushing. If you go to install it and and its really tight. Have read on other threads guys have been cutting the flat piece off. Here's a link to a moddedmustang thread about it. theres some pics. of the modified filler on the 3rd page.

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@tbear853 ..... Thanks for the detailed post and background info. I've graduated from manual Volkswagen, Toyota Land Cruisers and other manual/standard vehicles. I stopped driving the manual shifts when I came to US and now I've bought a manual tranny car after a long while. Also, this is my first performance oriented car (or a car with 8 cylinders) so I agree with you that my technique will get better with time. BUT frankly, I wasn't expecting this from Ford. I plan to add a shifter (already ordered) and the transmission mount to make it feel as best as it can. My wife, currently deosn't like sitting in the car because of the issues with transmission. She won't even drive it - so I need to get things fixed. I plan to keep the car for a long time and won't be travelling alone all the time

@bryan67 ... Thanks for this info. I've received the transmission mount and plan to install it over the weekend. The shifter arrives sometime next week or the week after. I hope this will make things better.

Although, on a side note, I just installed a 2-1/8" circular shift **** - I think it has a much better grip than the factory shift ****. Just my 2cents!
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I didn't know from your posts where you stood experience or skill wise , I stand corrected.
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Just installed the transmission mount bushing. I can actually shift from 3rd - 2nd - HOW COME FORD DIDN"T THINK OF THIS ???

All the shifts from 1st-2nd, 2nd-3rd, 3rd-4th and 4th-3rd, 3rd-2nd are 90% improved. Especially while slowing down - 2nd-1st is still slight notchy but I think thats me and not the transmission. My issue with shifting from 1st-2nd while taking a turn is resolved. Overall, I will say it has improved a lot - not 100% which I was anticipating but a little less. Nothing I can't live with.

I didn't modify the bushing at all and installed it as is. There is a slight increase in NVH but I can live with that however, I will try to take out 3/8" from the center tab and see how it responds. I can see why there is a problem with this part of the bushing. But as it stands at the moment, NVH is about +10% - OH and the clutch takeoff is much improved - the thing actually feels connected to the driveline now! I'm Happy

Now awaiting the MGW short shifter to see how that will help me.

Thanks for all your help and suggestions. I didn't even know this bushing existed. A big THANK YOU to all my friends at this and other forums who have suggested this mod.
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A little update ..... I have modified the whiteline bushing by cutting off the middle tab that was extending. I can't feel the vibrations in the floor anymore so any NVH I felt after I installed the bushing intially is all gone now. I'll go a little more trimming next time when I install the shifter. HAPPY
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glad things have gotten better for ya. ;-)
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