First Look: Whipple 2.3L W140ax for the 2011 5.0L Mustang GT
#14
Thats the setup I told you was making 550 rwhp on Whipples Dyno on a stock bottom end. The 5.0 rods are a touch better than the 4.6 rods and cylinder pressure will be about the same for 600 bhp 5.0 as a 550 bhp 4.6L. I also guessed it would only take 6.5-8.0 psi to get their with the flow and compression of the base motor.
Last edited by Gene K; 04-02-2010 at 11:54 AM.
#15
Ford already has thousands of hours of testing with the Whipple on the new 5.0L mustang. Everyone said the same thing you just did about the 550hp kits for the 05-10 3V. "The bottom end can't handle it" or " the trans is toast at that hp level". But how many failures of the tranny or motor do you hear about with that system? Slim to none is the answer as Ford did the same durability testing with that system as they are doing with this one. If it didn't pass the test then Ford nor Whipple would offer it. That's the last thing that both of those companies wants to deal with so if it's being offered it's because they are comfortable with the results they've seen.
Jared
The 5.0L with a good calibration will be able to safely handle 5-7psi without any additional mods to the internals of the engine.
I guess anything is possible. However any of the testing I've actually heard about so far no transmissions have failed.
This system will bolt right up and safely make the advertised gains that have been mentioned on a completely stock motor and trans. As mentioned above all of the companies involved won't put a system out if it hadn't passed extensive durability testing. Everyone says the same thing when a new designed model comes out. Keep in mind though that there's a lot more of it that the consumers haven't heard about. No one talks about the thousands of hours that the calibration experts put into this or the testing that's been done on the street or the dyno but that stuff has already been done.
Look at the Shelby 350. It's most likely coming standard with a Whipple twin screw supercharger. Ford/Shelby/Roush/Whipple... All of these guys have a part in making sure they offer a product to the customer that's safe and that won't cause failure. None of them nor the resellers of these products wants to sell a kit that knowingly will cause an engine or trans to fail. So hopefully you can see now it's more about just advertising a product. It's testing it and making sure it's suitable for all before anything else.
Jared
No April fools. It's all reality. Stay tuned for more.
Still no idea on cost. The 5.0L motor and trans will be safe to run this kit at the boost levels it will come set up to run.
Jared
Jared
There is no way this will simply bolt onto the stock motor. You will either blow the transmission or the rods.
Lethal Performance and Whipple are under absolutely NO OBLIGATION to ensure that this will not break a stock motor. That having been said, I have no doubt Lethal will figure out what exactly needs to be done in order to ensure a motor's (and transmission's) longevity with this bolted on, and will be happy to sell you the parts necessary to make that happen. :P
Looks bad-***!
Lethal Performance and Whipple are under absolutely NO OBLIGATION to ensure that this will not break a stock motor. That having been said, I have no doubt Lethal will figure out what exactly needs to be done in order to ensure a motor's (and transmission's) longevity with this bolted on, and will be happy to sell you the parts necessary to make that happen. :P
Looks bad-***!
Look at the Shelby 350. It's most likely coming standard with a Whipple twin screw supercharger. Ford/Shelby/Roush/Whipple... All of these guys have a part in making sure they offer a product to the customer that's safe and that won't cause failure. None of them nor the resellers of these products wants to sell a kit that knowingly will cause an engine or trans to fail. So hopefully you can see now it's more about just advertising a product. It's testing it and making sure it's suitable for all before anything else.
Jared
yeah I would love to know how much this kit will actually cost? The current Whipple HO is between 6-7k all ready. And our motors can take that extra 150hp. From what has been said the rods and transmission are weak links. If the can take this kit then this motor is GT500 is strong
Jared
#16
Thats the setup I told you was making 550 rwhp on Whipples Dyno on a stock bottom end. The 5.0 rods are a touch better than the 4.6 rods and cylinder pressure will be about the same for 600 bhp 5.0 as a 550 bhp 4.6L. I also guessed it would only take 6.5-8.0 psi to get their with the flow and compression of the base motor.
Glad to see you have good understanding of what's going on. There's a whole lot of skeptics most of which just don't realize how much time and effort has gone into testing the stuff we're speaking of already.
#17
I mean I agree if FRPP and whipple are putting this out together then it will be safe and reliable. Damn thats why I'm going with the Whipple HO, I'm a little hesitant of running 11psi and 550hp, but I guess the car can do it
#19
Makes sense to me.
Since dyno numbers are looking like a real 450 horsepower is already coming out of the new naturally aspirated coyote engine, 600 hp at low boost (say 5 psi) doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
The TRI-VCT setup and engine control, makes a big difference in what kind of compression ratios you can run with and have an engine live.
So what's not to believe, at least for a car being a weekend racer?
Getting it to hook up, might be the bigger issue...
The TRI-VCT setup and engine control, makes a big difference in what kind of compression ratios you can run with and have an engine live.
So what's not to believe, at least for a car being a weekend racer?
Getting it to hook up, might be the bigger issue...
#20
It aint even gonna hook stock!
2010 4.6 with TR3650 in 2nd with 4.88 Axle
325 x 2.00 x 4.88 = 3172 Torque
2011 5.0 with MT82 in 2nd with standard 3.31 Axle
390 x 2.43 x 3.31 = 3137 Torque
So essentially even with base 3.31 gears its gonna spin 2nd like a 2010 with 4.88 gears!
Still trying to figure out why I waisted money on 3.55's...
2010 4.6 with TR3650 in 2nd with 4.88 Axle
325 x 2.00 x 4.88 = 3172 Torque
2011 5.0 with MT82 in 2nd with standard 3.31 Axle
390 x 2.43 x 3.31 = 3137 Torque
So essentially even with base 3.31 gears its gonna spin 2nd like a 2010 with 4.88 gears!
Still trying to figure out why I waisted money on 3.55's...