no love for the 4.6 3v?
01-31-2012, 04:56 PM
#11
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No disrespect to the 3V's, but you must understand evolution. As others have pointed out above, even your everyday family sedans are approaching the 300HP mark. Import sports coupes like the Nissan 370Z and Hyundai Genesis are pushing upwards of 300 HP.
I had an '07 GT previously. That thing felt bullet proof. I really liked that car, but it was time for an upgrade.
I had an '07 GT previously. That thing felt bullet proof. I really liked that car, but it was time for an upgrade.
01-31-2012, 07:41 PM
#12
I wouldnt say there isn't any love for the 3V 4.6L. There are tons of power adders to bring the 3V 4.6L up to the same power levels as the newer 5.0L v$ Coyote.
Hell, there are guys who boast in excess of 600 BHP crank from 3V 4.6L engines.
Hell, there are guys who boast in excess of 600 BHP crank from 3V 4.6L engines.
01-31-2012, 08:27 PM
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I like what Wes Siler wrote in his review of the new 5.0:
"A lot of the old 4.6's character came from how fun it was just to drive around the neighborhood. The engine burbled and popped and you had to work to get it around corners. It wasn't that the handling was limited, it was involving even at low speeds. A lot of that's gone from the 5.0. The engine now sounds and feels more like a high-revving V8 from the likes of Audi or BMW than it does a throwback to ‘60s Americana. Driving the 4.6 at high speeds down a mountain road required a lot of effort. The 5.0 is easier, but it's faster too. Don't bemoan the lack of involvement, you just have to go a bit faster to find it now. The 5.0 has more muscle, but it's less of a muscle car and more of a performance coupe."
http://jalopnik.com/5503993/2011-for...ng-first-drive
"A lot of the old 4.6's character came from how fun it was just to drive around the neighborhood. The engine burbled and popped and you had to work to get it around corners. It wasn't that the handling was limited, it was involving even at low speeds. A lot of that's gone from the 5.0. The engine now sounds and feels more like a high-revving V8 from the likes of Audi or BMW than it does a throwback to ‘60s Americana. Driving the 4.6 at high speeds down a mountain road required a lot of effort. The 5.0 is easier, but it's faster too. Don't bemoan the lack of involvement, you just have to go a bit faster to find it now. The 5.0 has more muscle, but it's less of a muscle car and more of a performance coupe."
http://jalopnik.com/5503993/2011-for...ng-first-drive
01-31-2012, 08:32 PM
#14
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No disrespect to the 3V's, but you must understand evolution. As others have pointed out above, even your everyday family sedans are approaching the 300HP mark. Import sports coupes like the Nissan 370Z and Hyundai Genesis are pushing upwards of 300 HP.
I had an '07 GT previously. That thing felt bullet proof. I really liked that car, but it was time for an upgrade.
I had an '07 GT previously. That thing felt bullet proof. I really liked that car, but it was time for an upgrade.
01-31-2012, 08:52 PM
#15
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the Coyote is the new kid on the block.
everything is new and exciting, better than the previous years in every way.
but the 3V is a pretty stout platform, and better than previous years as well.
the Mustang is getting more and more expensive, better interiors, handling, electronics, etc.
makes me miss my old Fox Body. it was simple, cheap, mods are cheap, only 1 cam, car is light, with simple mods it can be pretty fast too.
i like the fact that the Mustang and all muscle cars are getting better, but i also wish they would stay true to form
and be affordable power like they were back in the day.
but you gotta keep up with the Camaro and all the others........
everything is new and exciting, better than the previous years in every way.
but the 3V is a pretty stout platform, and better than previous years as well.
the Mustang is getting more and more expensive, better interiors, handling, electronics, etc.
makes me miss my old Fox Body. it was simple, cheap, mods are cheap, only 1 cam, car is light, with simple mods it can be pretty fast too.
i like the fact that the Mustang and all muscle cars are getting better, but i also wish they would stay true to form
and be affordable power like they were back in the day.
but you gotta keep up with the Camaro and all the others........
01-31-2012, 09:36 PM
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I've got love for my 3-valve, it ain't going anywhere unless something catastrophic happens. And there's quite a bit of room for improving it beyond where it is now, plusa there a a ton of kits for doing it by now. I'm only at 467 to the ground right now, but i have a plan in mind to bump that up into the 600s.
Others before have pushed into the 4th digit.
There's plenty of love, it's just that there's always going to be something new and shiny.
Others before have pushed into the 4th digit.
There's plenty of love, it's just that there's always going to be something new and shiny.
01-31-2012, 11:25 PM
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Anyone lacking respect for the 3V can meet me at Gulfport Dragway on Wednesday at 6pm. I'll be the guy pulling a 3V mustang on a trailer behind an F150 (also a 3V).
*edit* Bah. Make that next wednesday. Rain sucks.
*edit* Bah. Make that next wednesday. Rain sucks.
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02-01-2012, 12:11 AM
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Both the 370z and 2010 GT run an identical quarter mile. So 4.6 makes more torque, but 370 makes more power up top. 370 being smaller displacement and two less cylinders N/A, it makes sense that it produces less torque. I don't understand your point here.
02-01-2012, 05:48 AM
#20
What he is trying to say is there is a fallacy of having equivalent advertised HP without even looking at the torque curve.
Both you and he actually agree once you know how HP is calculated: HP is completely dependent on torque. No torque = no HP.
The reason why the 4.6L can keep up with a very high revving V6 is because the 4.6L has gobs of torque throughout the entire RPM bandwidth, where the 370Z makes weenie torque, even all the way to the top. It makes up for its weak-*** torque b being able to rev to the moon and hold on to whatever little torque it has all the way to its redline.
Imagin what the 4.6L can do with the same very high redline with its considerable amount more of torque. If the 4.6L can hold is torque to that same redline, its rate BHP crank would not be only 310 BHP, it would be like 400+ BHP (I am assuming the 370Z has an 8000 RPM redline, the 4.6L can reach it, and that the 4.6L holds on to no less than 270 ft-lbf all the way to 8000 RPM).
Both you and he actually agree once you know how HP is calculated: HP is completely dependent on torque. No torque = no HP.
The reason why the 4.6L can keep up with a very high revving V6 is because the 4.6L has gobs of torque throughout the entire RPM bandwidth, where the 370Z makes weenie torque, even all the way to the top. It makes up for its weak-*** torque b being able to rev to the moon and hold on to whatever little torque it has all the way to its redline.
Imagin what the 4.6L can do with the same very high redline with its considerable amount more of torque. If the 4.6L can hold is torque to that same redline, its rate BHP crank would not be only 310 BHP, it would be like 400+ BHP (I am assuming the 370Z has an 8000 RPM redline, the 4.6L can reach it, and that the 4.6L holds on to no less than 270 ft-lbf all the way to 8000 RPM).