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Old 02-23-2012, 10:31 AM   #1
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Default Roush vs. Boss on top gear

Did anybody see this?? ....the Roush has more horsepower but the Boss beat it in a race with the same driver on a mostly twisty track.

I'm sure if it was a straight line race the Roush would win....I would assume.

But does anybody have an idea why the boss with less HP would win? This is making me second guess a supercharger purchase in the future. I would of guessed the Roush Mustang would of won...easily.
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Because the BOSS was built to go around a twisty track.
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Not bad considering its giving up almost 100 horsepower.
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You talking about BBC America Top Gear or Top Gear America? I can't stand Top Gear America with Tanner. I like Tanner but the few times i stopped to watch the show for a few mintues, the chemistry was forced and they tried to make it too much like BBC America Top Gear.
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Yea so it depends on what ur looking for when u begin to mod ur car. If you looking for 1/4 mile times then u can get some decent times just a supercharger, slicks and LCA's. However if your goal is to do some twisties then u really need to beef up ur suspenion to handle the weight distribution through turns. That has nothing to do with horspepower its all about the agility of the car at that point. Your really not comparing apples to apples with the two mustangs. Give the rousch some much needed susupion then it would be a good race.
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Doesn't surprise me. The Boss was built for turns, and on many tracks you can't count on straight line speed to win you a race. Think about the amount of turns compared to the straightaways where the Roush would be able to actually gain time despite exiting the turn slower.
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Did anybody see this?? ....the Roush has more horsepower but the Boss beat it in a race with the same driver on a mostly twisty track.

I'm sure if it was a straight line race the Roush would win....I would assume.

But does anybody have an idea why the boss with less HP would win? This is making me second guess a supercharger purchase in the future. I would of guessed the Roush Mustang would of won...easily.
To answer your question directly, it's no surprise.

Motortrend rag did a comparo of the new Boss (not the Laguna Seca edition) against a 2010 GT500 and the GT500 got clobbered by the Boss around Laguna Seca by something like 4 seconds. In most of the turn-ins and exits the Boss held a 2+ mph advantage over the GT500. Also, since the boss is NA ther power under the curve is more flat than the GT500.

The Boss 302 Laguna Seca Edition ran the same track at a faster time than the regular boss but wasn't compared when they wrote the article.
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To answer your question directly, it's no surprise.

Motortrend rag did a comparo of the new Boss (not the Laguna Seca edition) against a 2010 GT500 and the GT500 got clobbered by the Boss around Laguna Seca by something like 4 seconds. In most of the turn-ins and exits the Boss held a 2+ mph advantage over the GT500. Also, since the boss is NA ther power under the curve is more flat than the GT500.

The Boss 302 Laguna Seca Edition ran the same track at a faster time than the regular boss but wasn't compared when they wrote the article.
I think I'd disagree with the part I put in bold. I bet the GT500 has more under the curve, it is a twin screw, not a centri style so boost hits quickly.
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Top Gear, lol.
And not a flying f*** was given that day!
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Yea so it depends on what ur looking for when u begin to mod ur car. If you looking for 1/4 mile times then u can get some decent times just a supercharger, slicks and LCA's. However if your goal is to do some twisties then u really need to beef up ur suspenion to handle the weight distribution through turns. That has nothing to do with horspepower its all about the agility of the car at that point. Your really not comparing apples to apples with the two mustangs. Give the rousch some much needed susupion then it would be a good race.
I thought roush did put a different suspension setup on their cars?

a factor that could have made a difference was type of tires, not sure if they used the same type on each car. Could make a big difference.
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Depends on the Roush... Sport version is basically a bodykit and you work your way up from there with stage 1,2 and 3.. then theres a couple other models I have no clue about. A roadster I think and one made for the track.
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This makes it easier...

http://www.roushperformance.com/vehicles/archive.html
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it was a mostly twisty track, the boss excels here. you'd need larger straights for the extra horse power to close the gap.
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need more details on the roush.

what year? any suspension kit?, what tires? etc
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I thought roush did put a different suspension setup on their cars?

a factor that could have made a difference was type of tires, not sure if they used the same type on each car. Could make a big difference.
I agree.
Stage 3 is where they have the car with all the goodies, suspension and all.
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I was really looking forward to this episode. The only decent segment was the boss vs roush. If they wanted to compare the 3 muscle cars (5.0, Camaro SS, and Challenger SRT8) then they should have executed solid tests like straight line, track and breaking and not some f*$k a@# cone course while strapped to a electromagnetic TENS unit. I really wanted to see the true difference of the 2012 muscle car line-up. However, Tanner drifting around that corner in the Utah desert was absolutely sick!
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It wasn't a surprise to me, the track is really twisty. I thought it was shameful that they lost the race against the horses... Tanner needs to stop trying to be cool.
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I was really looking forward to this episode. The only decent segment was the boss vs roush. If they wanted to compare the 3 muscle cars (5.0, Camaro SS, and Challenger SRT8) then they should have executed solid tests like straight line, track and breaking and not some f*$k a@# cone course while strapped to a electromagnetic TENS unit. I really wanted to see the true difference of the 2012 muscle car line-up. However, Tanner drifting around that corner in the Utah desert was absolutely sick!
Mustang and Camaro = Pony Cars, Challenger = Muscle car. The Boss 302 (new and classic) and pretty much all modern GT's have gained a lot of notoriety on the road course and to be honest drag races are not entertaining to watch which explains why it's not on a show designed for entertainment. I would rather see tests around a skid pad, autocross course (some f*$k a@# cone course) and road course than a 1/4 mile test.

As for needing trick and built suspension to participate on a roadcourse, hardly. A stock 2005+ GT handles quite well on a roadcourse in stock trim. It's biggest limiting factor is the tires and that is true for a drag race too.
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what year? any suspension kit?, what tires? etc
It was a 2012 Roush RS3. These do have the Roush upgraded suspension and come with Cooper RS3 tires.
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You talking about BBC America Top Gear or Top Gear America? I can't stand Top Gear America with Tanner. I like Tanner but the few times i stopped to watch the show for a few mintues, the chemistry was forced and they tried to make it too much like BBC America Top Gear.
I like Tanner too, he is an awesome driver. But, I also can't stand Top Gear America. It's poorly done compared to the BBC guys.

Anyone have a video link? I'd like to watch this episode and this episode only.
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