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Old 05-09-2012, 11:21 AM   #11
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maybe the 11 you drove had 3.73 in it so that take off felt harder and this one had 3.31 so it was smoother and not as punchy out the gate.
truth! the 2011 i drove had a strut tower brace and the 2013 i drove did not.. and now that i think of that, it would suggest that the 2011 was a higher value package, most likely with different gears than the 2013 i just drove. i'll continue my investigating, i think i'm too far into this to give up on a V8.
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Old 05-09-2012, 11:36 AM   #12
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I drove a 2013 5.0 last week and absolutely loved it!!! Still trying to justify an upgrade from my 06 GT though! I love my 06!!!!
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:13 PM   #13
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two things -

you need to drive a stang with 3.73 gears to feel the low end come alive. I hear you, it feels dead under 3k in 3.3 gears.

hillside assist is not bad technology - and it works properly. you are just not used to having it there so it's going to totally throw you off (understandably). once you adapt to it, it's absolutely awesome to have imo.

lastly, hillside assist is a new feature for 2013. 2012s did not have them. most new manual cars come with hillside assist - not just Ford stuff.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:01 PM   #14
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There ain't no hill that I need assistance with. What other stupid *** **** can we add to make cars more expensive and heavier?

Let's put some airbags in the trunk! I think i'm going to buy a fox body for my next mustang.
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Old 05-09-2012, 09:39 PM   #15
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I'm happy that you don't need assistance starting on a hill. neither do I - but it's technology that allows the manual transmission to appeal to a broader audience, and it's actually rather convenient when you get used to it. my wrx had it - I miss it

I agree though - they are putting way too many features in cars that are ultimately useless and drive up price, but you can't fight progression, technology etc. if the competition offers it and it's desirable, you want to offer it in your line up too. there's a ton of government mandated crap in our cars that make them a lot more costly as well ;(
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Old 05-10-2012, 02:46 PM   #16
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I'm not sure what all the hill assist hate is about. Sure it's not "needed" but cars didn't used to come with windows either....that doesn't mean that hill assist isn't useful and covenant. My buddy has an M3 with it and while technically unnecessary it makes for worry free, smooth and effortless starts when on steep inclines....why wouldn't I want that?
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:00 PM   #17
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I bought a Grabber Blue 2012 Mustang V6 manual last year. Now I'm thinking about trading it up to a 5.0L V8 with a manual transmission. So last night I went for a test drive in a 2013 5.0L and I was really disappointed. First off, I was on a hill when I started, I shifted to neutral, and released the handbrake, and I did not roll backwards. I just hung there. It was as if the car had hillside assist. This was a stripped down, barebones 5.0L V8, so it shouldn't have anything fancy. Do mustangs even have hillside assist?! Even if it did, it sucked. Because suddenly it released, and I started rolling backwards. It did this same thing again later, and it really makes me think something was wrong with the car.

While driving the car, I was pushing the gas in about halfway and getting mediocre results from 0 - 3000 RPMs. After 3000 you could tell that I had a V8, but the car was NOT anywhere near as powerful as I had thought it would be. My 2012 V6 is BAMA tuned, and it just seemed significantly faster with throttle response and initial acceleration.

I drove a 2011 5.0L GT when they first came out, and that thing drove like a bat out of hell. I could absolutely take off with it. This 2013 GT felt like I was dragging a boat anchor or something.

So, is this normal for 2013s? Does anyone think there was something wrong with the car? I am having a really tough time imagining that Ford tuned their stock GT's to be so weak on throttle response so that a V6 would feel zippier (again, my V6 is BAMA tuned). Thoughts?
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Of course it's gonna open up after 3k, it's called variable valve timing and it's been on mustang engines for a while now. Same thing basically as vtec except there is no fancy name for it, just what it is called in the real world.

You are comparing a bama tuned v6 to a stock tuned v8. Once you drop a tune in the v8 it will be a different beast. Also, it depends on the gears the 5.0 had in it that you were test driving. 3.73's will be a big difference over anything less.
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I drove a 2013 5.0 lastweek and bought it.
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Old 05-10-2012, 03:52 PM   #19
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two things -

you need to drive a stang with 3.73 gears to feel the low end come alive. I hear you, it feels dead under 3k in 3.3 gears.

hillside assist is not bad technology - and it works properly. you are just not used to having it there so it's going to totally throw you off (understandably). once you adapt to it, it's absolutely awesome to have imo.

lastly, hillside assist is a new feature for 2013. 2012s did not have them. most new manual cars come with hillside assist - not just Ford stuff.
Not really, I mean yes it does make it faster off the line to have higher gears, but because of the new transmission gearing, the 3.31s that come stock in the new 5.0 have a final drive ratio higher than a 2005-2009 GT with 3.73 gears out back. The automatics come with 3.15 stock, and they have a final drive ratio even higher than 3.31s matched with the new manual.

I personally think the amount of low torque on these engines is pretty impressive. You definitely feel when it breaks through 3000rpm, but below that the car can still pull pretty damn hard IMO.
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Not really, I mean yes it does make it faster off the line to have higher gears, but because of the new transmission gearing, the 3.31s that come stock in the new 5.0 have a final drive ratio higher than a 2005-2009 GT with 3.73 gears out back. The automatics come with 3.15 stock, and they have a final drive ratio even higher than 3.31s matched with the new manual.

I personally think the amount of low torque on these engines is pretty impressive. You definitely feel when it breaks through 3000rpm, but below that the car can still pull pretty damn hard IMO.
No foolin. This car can start in 4th gear and only shudder a little.
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