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Old 02-22-2012, 07:38 PM   #41
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The normal ones will be fine in the rain

The R's are a different animal because of the compound.

Are you doing the V3 install?
I would try to tackle the install myself if I had a garage or somewhere(and the tools) to do it, doesn't look that hard. Especially with the drop in fuel hat I bought. So I'm probably gonna have my buddy's step dad do it for me(senior master tech for ford, and has a very nice lightning) he's gonna charge me but not what most other shops would. it all depends on install time. But at the same time as the kit is going in I'm upgrading to the 07+ cooling setup too.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:17 AM   #42
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What fuel hat did you go with? A dual GT500 setup?
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:34 AM   #43
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What fuel hat did you go with? A dual GT500 setup?
I went with the S&H Performance Stage 1 setup. From the same guys who make that Turbo kit you pointed out. Basically a modified GT fuel hat with a 340lph fuel pump along with upgraded wiring.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77625

says will support up to 500-550 depending on injector size. When it comes time to upgrade the pump after that I'll probably end up going with their stage 2 if I like this setup, basically a GT fuel hat with dual 340lph pumps and a second FPDM and upgraded wiring kit. and that setup is only $525
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Let me know how it works out. I know there was a guy over on a different forum that used a 340lph pump on a stock hat (with wiring upgrade) and the thing was MAXED at 480rwhp.

I think it has something to do with the single FPDM trying to drive such a larger than stock pump.

I haven't seen any results with Jeremy's kit yet, so give us all the details when it comes time. Who's doing the tune? I would hope Pete?

I haven't decided what I want to do for a fuel setup yet... ugh
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Let me know how it works out. I know there was a guy over on a different forum that used a 340lph pump on a stock hat (with wiring upgrade) and the thing was MAXED at 480rwhp.

I think it has something to do with the single FPDM trying to drive such a larger than stock pump.

I haven't seen any results with Jeremy's kit yet, so give us all the details when it comes time. Who's doing the tune? I would hope Pete?

I haven't decided what I want to do for a fuel setup yet... ugh
Pete is definitely doing the tune. I'll let you know how that setup works. I'm only aiming for 380-400rwhp so I think I'll be within a safe limit for the 340lph pump.

Should start to see some packages today.
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I think the pump will be fine for that amount of HP, I'm just curious what the duty cycle is going to look like.

Good call with Pete, he likes the V3 kits if I remember.
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If you aren't lowered, do you even need an adjustable upper? I know you get it to adjust pinion angle, but I thought most people only get adjustable ones when they go real low.

Not necessarily. My pinion angle was very off so i needed an adjustable as well. Only running the saleen springs too.
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Not necessarily. My pinion angle was very off so i needed an adjustable as well. Only running the saleen springs too.
Good to know. I should check mine once I lower it.
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If you're lowered you'll def want an adjustable upper (a must with a 1 piece DS too), LCA relocation brackets to bring the LCA's back level, and sometimes a panhard bar to re-center the rear.
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Parts started arriving today, nothing too exciting. Got most of the 07 coolant setup, just waiting on upper radiator hose and the t-stat. and the discharge assembly showed up, still waiting on everything else though.
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If you're lowered you'll def want an adjustable upper (a must with a 1 piece DS too), LCA relocation brackets to bring the LCA's back level, and sometimes a panhard bar to re-center the rear.
I knew about the panhard and UCA, but I don't think many people use the relocation brackets. ****, a lot of people don't use any of it, not saying it is the right way to do things, but they do haha. Over time I will acquire all those parts, but for now it is dampers, springs, HD mounts, camber bolts, and a panhard if I need it.
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I would not recommend the relocation brackets for a daily driver. Just because you are lowered doesn't mean you need the brackets. The LCA's are great and an adjustable are all you need. The brackets are great but they do have their trade off's
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Ya I already have LCA's, great investment.
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Which ones you got?
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I would not recommend the relocation brackets for a daily driver. Just because you are lowered doesn't mean you need the brackets. The LCA's are great and an adjustable are all you need. The brackets are great but they do have their trade off's
Actually there is a point for having the brackets, even on a lowered daily driver. The diagram below illustrates the "why":

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Speaking from personal experience, I had serious issues getting the rear to stay planted under power, even with aftermarket LCAs before I corrected the geometry with relocation brackets.
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But thats not taking into account an adjustable upper. You need the upper to really complete the alignment if you're having that much traction issue. Plus they hang low and can scrap pretty easily. If you're already very low, then thats the least of your worries, but if you're not its something to consider. I'm not saying they aren't worth it, they are just an overkill for most people. Did you try an adjustable upper to align your pinion and help with traction? I find it hard to believe you got the angle aligned with just relocation brackets.
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Side note: I love the garage feature of this site but the photo file size restrictions are terrible.
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But thats not taking into account an adjustable upper. You need the upper to really complete the alignment if you're having that much traction issue. Plus they hang low and can scrap pretty easily. If you're already very low, then thats the least of your worries, but if you're not its something to consider. I'm not saying they aren't worth it, they are just an overkill for most people. Did you try an adjustable upper to align your pinion and help with traction? I find it hard to believe you got the angle aligned with just relocation brackets.
Yes, I have an adjustable UCA. The purpose of that is solely to correct driveshaft pinion angles, it isn't a replacement for correct LCA geometry.

This is the reason for an adjustable UCA, reducing driveshaft stress and pulsations in the powertrain from erratic universal motion:

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I've had BMR relocation brackets on my car for 5+ years. They've never hit/scraped a thing. Their location just inboard of the rear tires would make that a trick unless you're going cross country in a boulder strewn field anyway.
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I need to take a picture of mine. They do hang pretty low. I'll snap one when I can. Maybe the UMI ones go a little lower.

Either way, sounds like you had more traction issues than me so I dunno.
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I need to take a picture of mine. They do hang pretty low. I'll snap one when I can. Maybe the UMI ones go a little lower.

Either way, sounds like you had more traction issues than me so I dunno.
With the blower, my torque is like a shelf from 2K RPM up...
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