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Old 02-17-2012, 07:03 PM   #41
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Do you really think he cares about SMOG???..
Probably not. Anyone who would take out a venerable but fully developed engine with modern engine controls, and swap in an even more antiquated engine with a relatively weak bottom end, and primitive engine controls, in hopes of more power (?), probably doesn't care about a whole lot... Lets see; more fuel used for little power gain, more weight (though probably not that much), and worse reliability. I guess the plus side would be V8 sound and... that's about it. If you're swapping an old-fashioned engine into a modern car, shouldn't it at least be an engine with some worthwhile reward; some special merit - like real torque? A 427 cammer might be interesting, but an old pushrod 302? Sorry, but that 302 should have gone away in the '70s. How it made it into the 1990s, was just Ford's good luck, and their great ability to keep selling yesterday's product well into next week. As much as people love them and think they're so cool, I think that old engine should have been buried long ago; it just doesn't belong in a modern Mustang. Sorry if this just sounds bitter, but I've never been a Fox fan (they're light, but flexy, cheap and fugly), and that smallblock, as good as it was in the early '60s, is now just ancient news. Bad choice for a modern car swap. Better off with a Chevy 383, if you ask me, and that's another ancient design...but it'll make serious power, hold together better, and for less $ spent. Am I wrong?
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Probably not. Anyone who would take out a venerable but fully developed engine with modern engine controls, and swap in an even more antiquated engine with a relatively weak bottom end, and primitive engine controls, in hopes of more power (?), probably doesn't care about a whole lot... Lets see; more fuel used for little power gain, more weight (though probably not that much), and worse reliability. I guess the plus side would be V8 sound and... that's about it. If you're swapping an old-fashioned engine into a modern car, shouldn't it at least be an engine with some worthwhile reward; some special merit - like real torque? A 427 cammer might be interesting, but an old pushrod 302? Sorry, but that 302 should have gone away in the '70s. How it made it into the 1990s, was just Ford's good luck, and their great ability to keep selling yesterday's product well into next week. As much as people love them and think they're so cool, I think that old engine should have been buried long ago; it just doesn't belong in a modern Mustang. Sorry if this just sounds bitter, but I've never been a Fox fan (they're light, but flexy, cheap and fugly), and that smallblock, as good as it was in the early '60s, is now just ancient news. Bad choice for a modern car swap. Better off with a Chevy 383, if you ask me, and that's another ancient design...but it'll make serious power, hold together better, and for less $ spent. Am I wrong?
lol well you know what they say about opinions and a$$holes. I wouldn't personally put a 302 in my 2007 pp, but would love to see if it could be done. nothing wrong with the 302, i had 150 thousand miles on my old 302 and it was running 12.90 with slicks, long tubes, and a b-cam. I'm sure with the procharger he'll be in the low 12's possibly 11's. 383. . .cmon man!!! sacrilegious ! how about a stroked Winsor or a 460? anyway I say go for it buddy, you'll never know unless you try.
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trust me kput i would but this is like a quarter of the price for this swap and i already have it so tere is really no point and with this i could pull on a coyote pretty easy, plus im just a fan of pushrods... the mods just dont have that .... sound that everyone loves
Your first mistake is that you're using GT40 heads on that pushrod mill...
Those heads don't flow for schit so it doesn't matter what intake, cam etc... you'll use because the restriction will cancel the benefits.
Do yourself a favor and invest in a set of AFR (185cc) or trick flow heads (Victor Jr are good as well) especially if you're gonna supercharged.
With a carburator, you won't pass inspection in NY, so it's another issue you're facing.
A T5 tranny is also about junk on a mill that has over 300hp, won't last.
A Tremec TKO is what you need but since the S197 uses a "remote" shifter due to its tunnel design, you'll have to address that as well and on and on.


I am not knocking your project on the contrary, but you'll need a well thought plan in order to avoid major headaches...
Good luck with this.
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a foxbody with a 5.0 and a t5 for 800 bucks all running, ........, 3.55 gears with t-lok and the 8.8 rear end with spacers,
Are you planning to swap the 8.8 from the Fox to the S197? That is going to take some major modification. The S197 uses a 3 link and the Fox uses a 4 link. The cost of fabrication will probably be more than just going with the 2012 rear end like someone suggested.
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ok guys time came, started it and decided against it cause i can throw the fully built block and heads from ssm in it for just as much and i flopped on my money haha but still i only paid 800 for the fox and sold it for 2500... good flip but thanks for the support
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:46 PM   #49
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ok guys time came, started it and decided against it cause i can throw the fully built block and heads from ssm in it for just as much and i flopped on my money haha but still i only paid 800 for the fox and sold it for 2500... good flip but thanks for the support
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I am also thinking of doing this. I am gonna build an all aluminum, afr headed 3- 350 horse road race motor. I have the tuning handled, the drivetrain and suspension are all beefed up for the track already, and I can buy adapters for my BMR K-member to take the 5.0. Should be wicked!
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Couple guys over on s197forum.com did big block swaps look over there
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I know this thread is old, but I'm interested to see if the OP ever pulled this off. I am planning something kinda similar - a 408 stroker with dual quads into my 2012. I've estimated the swap will run about $25k ($19k for parts, 5k of which is for a new Magnum XL 6-speed Tremec trans).

I disagree with everyone saying this is stupid, not worth it, but I do agree that if you're gonna do this, do it right and at least put a 331/347 into it instead of a relatively stock and underpowered Fox-body 5.0.

BTW, Ford Racing makes motor mounts for this kind of swap.
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Good luck I want to see the end results!
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I know this thread is old, but I'm interested to see if the OP ever pulled this off. I am planning something kinda similar - a 408 stroker with dual quads into my 2012. I've estimated the swap will run about $25k ($19k for parts, 5k of which is for a new Magnum XL 6-speed Tremec trans).

I disagree with everyone saying this is stupid, not worth it, but I do agree that if you're gonna do this, do it right and at least put a 331/347 into it instead of a relatively stock and underpowered Fox-body 5.0.

BTW, Ford Racing makes motor mounts for this kind of swap.
Look back at post #48... He sold his fox body car with engine and tranny so he never accomplished the job.

I'm like you man and I stated this before... If you gonna go through the headache of a transplant, make sure you get about 500hp at the wheels to make it worth while.
No matter what mill/combo you're gonna use.
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I bit my tongue the whole thread on this. I just knew I would of said something to really **** the OP off not meaning too. I'm like others here, if you can't get enough power out of the swap, why do it? A 80's roller cam 5.0 just didn't have enough power or bottom end. They did sound much better than the tappet cammed 5.0's though. When Ford changed the firing order with the roller cam, it made the 5.0 sound so much better.
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Thanks for biting your tongue doogie but the OP weighted the eventual outcome and made the right decision anyway.
Hell, I'd supercharged the 4.0 long before I mess with a stock 5.0 push rod or swap a 4.6 in it...
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Again recognizing this thread is old, I figured I'd let everyone know that my 427w (dart block, afr heads, trick flow cam, 850cfm double-pumper carb) should be done sometime this week, and bought a Tremec T56 Magnum XL trans (made specifically for the S197), and should be starting my swap in the next 30 days. I'll let you know how it goes.

The only fabrication we've encountered (short of the drive shaft and exhaust behind the headers of course) is the spacer we need to have made between the bell housing and the transmission. Other than that, everything else is a bolt-in. It should only take a few days to remove the V6/auto trans, and install the Windsor/T56 and actually get it running. After that, we can worry about the accessories and little electrical things.

We're even gonna put a/c back in the car, and use the OEM instrument cluster.

BTW, BMR makes a k-member just for this swap, which pretty much makes it a nuts-and-bolts proposition.
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You guys must not have smog.
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Or we must not care about it...
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Or we must not care about it...
I think he meant yearly inspection by the State.
We don't have those in FL...

Anyway man, when you're ready, start a new thread.
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