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Old 09-03-2013, 04:54 PM   #1
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I have an 03 v6 5-speed manual. I have become terribly bored with this car. I am looking to do a motor swap with it, and I am thinking of swapping either the GT motor for that year, or buying one of the coyote 5.0's. I have been told that this is an ridiculous swap to do, and that everything has to change. Beyond the obvious (engine, transmission, drive shaft, differential, motor mounts, (I imagine computer stuff)) what else would I need to do one of these swaps? Is the difference in the weight of the engine enough that I would need to change the suspension as well? Bigger fuel pump? Major electrical work? Any insight from anyone who has done one of these before? I made an inquiry on here before about it and the general idea that I got back was "Go buy a gt" but that isn't an option because my insurance would SKYROCKET. Anything else that would need to change for the GT motor to be in my car?
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:10 PM   #2
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Ok, so further research on other boards and sites says the transmission is actually the same, so it appears that I wouldn't need the rest of the drivetrain to be changed. So it seems the things that would be immediately necessary would be motor mount conversions, exhaust, tuning and/or replacing the computer, the 4.6 bell housing, and the accessories. Is there anything that I overlooked or that anyone can think of?
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FRPP offers a coyote PCM harness with PCM

http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/...FQE6Qgodml4AnA
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This is one of those things that if you have to ask, you shouldn't do it.

You do not want to reuse your stock T5 or the 7.5" open diff rear end. You'll want EVERYTHING related to the motor/drivetrain to be new. You'll also need a custom fuel system, front suspension to handle the added weight, rewire the entire car and have something custom done with the dash to get your gauges working. You're looking at thousands and thousands of dollars.

Also, if getting a GT would spike your insurance, so would swapping in the V8 since you have to legally tell them it has been swapped.

Why not just drop a couple grand and supercharge your V6? What have you done to it already? Why did it get 'boring'?
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:49 AM   #5
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Something seems wrong with the engine and it doesn't seem to have near the power that it used to. It makes lots of little noises that it shouldn't, it has a vacuum leak, the loss in power, I am just about ready to start fresh with this engine. So one way or the other I am looking at doing some sort of motor swap on this car soon.

I have only done minor things to the car so far, CAI, minor exhaust mod, recently changed the clutch. Mostly because I haven't been able to find anything short of drag racing parts for the v6. I found a company that makes all of the forged internals, ported and polished heads, custom cams/valves for the v6, but that's a lot farther than I would like to go to with a v6. Honestly, I would rather just have the v8. It sounds better, there are more aftermarket parts for the car, you can do more to it and get more out of it.

As for the super charger, I have looked into those and the research that I did showed that there were three main manufacturers of superchargers for my car, and that two of them couldn't be intercooled and were notorious for overheating, and the last one leaked oil like crazy. Aside from that, I'm not really fond of superchargers.

To make a long story short, the transmission and differential would be rebuilt or replaced shortly after the engine swap. Eventually I plan for nothing on this car to be stock. And I understand that all of that isn't going to be cheap, from the engine, to the tuning, to the drive train, etc.

My main concern is the electrical stuff that you're talking about. What is different that I would need to "rewire" the entire car? I know I would have to have the car retuned for the engine to work, and I imagine that the RPM and red line on the two engines are different so I would need to have those dials changed. From your last post it sounds like something else needs to be done for that to work?

Also, I wont be doing this alone
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There are LOTS of V6 performance parts. If you are looking for gains in that department, start with a 4.2L out of the F150. It's a direct drop in motor, and makes the same power as the old pushrod 5.0L V8. Ported stock heads, ported intakes and a good cam will set you up nicely for big power.

Not sure where you got your supercharger info, but it's wrong. ProCharger and Vortech both have cooler set ups you can pick from. Neither are prone to any issues. Paxton and Powerdyne both made set ups for the V6 as well. The M112 isn't cooled, but doesn't need to be if you set it up correctly. There are even a couple of TMA's old turbo set ups floating around if you wanted to go that route.

Also, anything you can do to a V8, you can do to a V6.

As far as the swap, if you REALLY want a V8, find a wrecked 99-04 4.6L and swap over EVERYTHING. Drop the motor on the K member and swap it all over. The wiring harnesses are different (underhood and under dash). Fuel system is different. You'll want the entire drivetrain and rear axle. There are a few threads about it if you search. It's more than most want to bite off when they realize what all is involved to gain less than 100 hp. If you are going through all of that trouble, look for a wrecked Cobra or Mach 1 and start with a 32V motor.
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I have looked into the 4.2's and that's something I might use as a last resort. The research I did said that I should be able to get around 350hp before I would really have to start worrying about getting the engine built. But, I would really prefer just to go to a v8.

The main parts I found for the v6's was from supersixsports, and it was basically to completely build the engine. Forged internals and all that jazz. Everything else I found was small stuff, chips and such.

I know the super chargers can be pretty bad ***, we put one on my friends truck and that thing is fast as hell. But all of that stuff aside, I just don't really want one, so it wont be going in my car lol.

I actually looked briefly into buying a junked cobra engine block, and the junk yard wanted more for the engine block than I could pay for an entire new transmission and engine. If I could find a cobra drivetrain in decent enough condition for a reasonable price, that would be great. But the cobra parts that I have found are insanely priced, and I could get a GT engine built and machined to almost the cobra specs for less than the busted cobra engines I have found. So your would recommend buying a wrecked GT and having the major components rebuilt and swapped directly into my car?
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Yeah, cheapest and easiest way is to get a similar year GT. That way you know you have all the parts you'll need sitting right there.
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Yeah, part of the reason that I am looking to do the motor swap is because my current engine has a few problems. The other part might have something to to with the fact that I don't like that my mustang is a little *****. I'm looking to do something to make it a little more exciting. Something that I can build on a little more than a v6. Does anyone know of a 6-speed manual transmission that can handle some torque, that isn't a terrible price? I'm probably going to end up going with a gt tranny and get it rebuilt, maybe a cobra tranny if I can find one for a decent price. But does anyone know of a manufacturer that makes good transmissions for a decent price?

inb4 "if you're going to put something performance in it it's not going to be cheap." I already know that, and I already have a few options. Just want to see if anyone else knows of a transmission that can handle a little beating, but doesn't cost $10k.
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Tremec T56 is the easiest to put in. They take a lot, but cost the price of a used SN95 V6 Mustang.
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I'll have to look into them. I am only planning on going up to around 400-450 hp anytime soon, but I plan to have the engine built to be indestructible and would like the transmission to be able to handle upside of 800lbs of torque, if I ever decide to take the engine further.
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Does anyone know where I could pick up a "rebuild to stock" kit for a 4.6L f150 engine? And is there another vendor that you guys have had good experiences with for racing rebuild parts? The only place I have any experience with is summit. Anything else good out there?
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I'd try Mod Max racing. They have a very good selection of parts and are priced to sell. GL!
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I have an 03 v6 5-speed manual. I have become terribly bored with this car. I am looking to do a motor swap with it, and I am thinking of swapping either the GT motor for that year, or buying one of the coyote 5.0's. I have been told that this is an ridiculous swap to do, and that everything has to change. Beyond the obvious (engine, transmission, drive shaft, differential, motor mounts, (I imagine computer stuff)) what else would I need to do one of these swaps? Is the difference in the weight of the engine enough that I would need to change the suspension as well? Bigger fuel pump? Major electrical work? Any insight from anyone who has done one of these before? I made an inquiry on here before about it and the general idea that I got back was "Go buy a gt" but that isn't an option because my insurance would SKYROCKET. Anything else that would need to change for the GT motor to be in my car?
If you swap in a 4.6, a 5.0 Coyote, or even a pushrod stroker motor:

Engine
Engine harness
K-Member
Alternator
Computers
A/C
Cooling
Transmission/shifter
Drive shaft
Rear end

It's gonna run you right at $25k (no matter which of the three engines you choose to use) if you buy all new stuff. Fortunately the only thing that needs to be fabricated is the exhaust, and that's only if you go pushrod.

If you get a used engine, do it right and take advantage of the motor being out of the car - rebuild the motor with higher quality performance-oriented parts (forged bottom end, ported heads, bigger cams, etc). It would really suck to do all that work only to have the motor give up a couple of weeks later.
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Does anyone know where I could pick up a "rebuild to stock" kit for a 4.6L f150 engine? And is there another vendor that you guys have had good experiences with for racing rebuild parts? The only place I have any experience with is summit. Anything else good out there?
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i have gone through the forum posts and there is one quoting about the V6 performance to start with 4.2L out of F150 has been of great help to me .. appreciate the share
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I'm in the "lame poser" crowd, and I don't think my life has changed in any measurable way as a result. Wait til I add my 408 dual-quad stroker. The same people that already don't like my car are going to wail about how a carb'd pushrod motor is such a stupid thing to do. ... etc ...
You wrote that on another thread but it was closed this morning. I just wanted to say how cool this sounds! A step back in some eyes, but a well built Windsor would be so cool in a S197. I know maybe not the best bang for bucks, but I hope the two carbs are mounted low under that hood, that would really grab eyes when shown.
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Thanks. I have a web page with a cost break-down.

BTW, they opened that thread up again. Some folks are too full of themselves for their own good.

My build will have a forged bottom end and AFR heads.We're expecting between 500 and 550 HP and at least 500lbft of torque...
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If you swap in a 4.6, a 5.0 Coyote, or even a pushrod stroker motor:

Engine
Engine harness
K-Member
Alternator
Computers
A/C
Cooling
Transmission/shifter
Drive shaft
Rear end
Dont forget suspension and fuel lines. But I'm looking at finding a wrecked or junk GT or F-150 for sale to pull most of the BS parts from. Pull the drive train and get it rebuilt. Then get the other misc parts from the car, ie: fuel lines, suspension, etc. Anything that's shot beyond reuse I'll obviously have to replace, but it'll get me access to all of the other accessories that I'll need.
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Also, does aynone know how frequently a clutch should wear out? This is my first long term manual car, and I just changed the clutch a few months ago and I'm wondering how long it's going to be before it should start giving me trouble. Inb4 "depends how you drive it."
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