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Old 10-05-2011, 12:37 AM   #1
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So our story is a long one.
I was going to by a 64 coupe for my wife's birthday in 2008 as a surprise, It was a re builder down on Arkansas, well for some reason i thought I'd better show her pics and see if she wanted it. She told me she did not like the body style but had found one local that she did like. Turns out it was a 77 Cobra II. I have never been a huge fan of them (that has changed lol) but if that's what she wanted than so be it. My only stipulation was it had to be a manual. So $1800 later we owned a 77 Cobra II that runs hard, needs the front suspension rebuilt, is primer grey and yes it is a 4 speed and yes my wife Lori can bang gears with the rest of us. Here is where i run into a few problems. After a few months it starts back firing through the carb, we find a loose rocker so we adjust them all to make sure we are all good. Runs great for about two days. Same thing happens. So in true muscle car fashion i decide the motor is coming out and getting an overhaul. ( after all we had no idea what had been done to the motor, but did find a Harlan Sharp roller valve train) So when we get the motor out and the fenders off (to redo the engine bay) we find it is really a frankenstang............. some one has done a lot and i mean A LOT of patching. So i decide we need to find a plain Jane donor car to cut the original sheet metal off of and transfer it to Ella(that's what Lori calls her)as we are searching I look for a buck tag, it is missing and start looking at the rest of the body. It has an ok re skin on the quarters and some bad patch job s done on the floor. Oh and the engine wire loom has actual speaker wire in it. So now we need to fix those areas also. Anyway long story short I answered an ad on Craig's list for a 77 Mustang II . I t has a dent In the drivers quarter and some one in the 80's decided to cut a hole in the roof for an after market sun roof (which is gone now) but all the other things i need are there. So I buy it last Sat. and bring it home and by the end of last sat night it was striped to needing the interior out and the cabin loom , rear bumper and suspension taken off.
As I am sitting there and looking at the radiator support that i plan on transferring to the other car I see the magic Buck Tag and also the 69R meaning it's a Mach I. So now I don't want to cut either car up! Do you see the spot I'm In? So any way it's nice to be on here sorry for the lengthy story. What I need to know is how to find out if the Cobra II is real or fake. Lori said she searched both titles and the Cobra comes back 3 door coupe and the other comes back Mach I. But I thought the vins did not give that info, only the buck tags or Mardi Report did. Here is a few pictures I'll up load the ones from this week end later and post them. As of now the plan is to swap the roof to the Mach I from the "cobra II" we think is fake.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:45 PM   #2
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I had a 77 Cobra once and I recall reading that there was no data for what cars were Cobras. Also remember reading that this is one reason they weren't demanding high prices either. Could be wrong, will have to see where I found that. Good luck, they're getting scarce.
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Old 10-10-2011, 12:41 PM   #3
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I like your story. Beautiful car! I can't wait to see what this looks like in a few months or a year.

My first car was a 76' blue with white stripes "Cobra II" in Hawaii. I wish that I still had that car!

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Old 10-10-2011, 01:05 PM   #4
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:41 PM   #5
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Well the saga continues. After much deliberation and him hawing around it looks like the Mach I is getting rebuilt and the Cobra II is going bye bye quick.
It came down to building the better car. And the Mach needs way less work.
So unless I can by some miracle find a roof or skin for the Mach I the Cobra II is going under the knife.I will post the rest of the picks in the morning.
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:52 PM   #6
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Old 10-20-2011, 10:43 PM   #7
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So as promised, More pics. And more to come.
This is where it was when we went to get it. It had been pulled out of a barn and tarped.
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The back yard exhaust got all hung up on the trailer.
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All ready to go!
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So lets see what it has on the OD.
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Did i forget to mention it was a two owner car that had never been molested?
(bedsides the crappy 80's sun roof that was cut in and missing now) With a documented 21,000 miles!
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Let the tear down begin(this was going to be a parts car).
My wife digging in, it is hers after all.
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and after it was all tore down i was sipping on beer, looked up and found THIS! Couldn't believe it was there. The elusive Buck Tag! It is like snipe hunting trying to find one of these on a Mustang II. And it reads 69R So we will be keeping this car now and fixing it. Since it is a Mach I and they are becoming more scarce then Cobra II now-A-Days.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:53 PM   #8
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I can't wait to see what this looks like in a few months.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:39 PM   #9
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So today was exciting, we got a double hump cross member in the mail. Have not been working on the Mach for the last week and I hear it calling me. It will be going on the rotisserie soon. then the real fun begins.
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Old 11-11-2011, 10:31 PM   #10
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I have a major soft spot in my heart for the II... watching with anticipation.. .
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Old 11-12-2011, 03:27 PM   #11
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very cool. I want a a 78 King Cobra really bad but I'd be happy with a Mach 1 or a CObra II!!! good luck saving it and love the pics of the family involved. Very cool!
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Old 11-14-2011, 09:14 AM   #12
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Thanks for the comments, Lori does a lot of work herself and is very car savvy. It is great I think because she asks all the right questions and also does a lot of research. She knows what she wants and if myself or others make a suggestion she questions it till it makes sense to her.
And tarafied We are bringing home a king cobra very soon have already looked at it and decided i want it for a follow up project. It is minus the entire front clip, motor and tranny but does have the buck tag and the rest of the parts and was a steal at $200.00
As far as this goes it should be on the rotisserie by Dec. and that is where the real fun begins.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:16 AM   #13
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Love build posts!

Glad to see you saving a II. I know most people don't like them, but over the years I've developed a new appreciation for all Stangs.

What has your wife got in mind for the finished project? Fan of the red interior too, hope she keeps that.
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Old 11-15-2011, 09:32 AM   #14
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Love build posts!

Glad to see you saving a II. I know most people don't like them, but over the years I've developed a new appreciation for all Stangs.

What has your wife got in mind for the finished project? Fan of the red interior too, hope she keeps that.
Well the red interior is shot and we had a near perfect Black interior so it will be black with grey inserts in the door panels and mach 1 stitched on the headrest.
We are switching to an 8.8 rear with 5 lug and disk brakes. A five lug conversion for the front as well. We are repairing the roof , pass floor pan and driver quarter so stay tuned for those fixes. then the entire engine bay inner and outer floor pan will b coated with KBS coating and we will spray the Factory blue with grey/anthracite Mach 1 striping.
As we speak the motor is at the machinist and will come back with around 400 ponies. Future plans are possibly a 5 speed, bigger brakes and a 8lbs of boost via a super charger.
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Sounds sweet, can't wait to see it done!
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:05 AM   #16
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Ok everyone get ready for all the fun to start. The motor is getting closer to being done, so it is time to start buying parts.

Paint/Prep/Body
2 KBS Chassis Kit N/A 85.95 KBS Coatings http://www.kbs-coatings.com/chassis-paint-kit.html 1-877-548-9323

1 KBS BlackTop Coating QT. N/A 44.95 KBS Coatings http://www.kbs-coatings.com/blacktop.html 1-877-548-9324
1 KBS Rust Seal QT. N/A 37.95 KBS Coatings http://www.kbs-coatings.com/rustseal.html 1-877-548-9325

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1 Front End Kit Poly N/A $280.00 ESPO Springs N Things http://www.springsnthings.com/ford-suspension-parts 1-800-903-9019





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1 Fully Preped 9" N/A $2,400.00 Quick Performance http://www.quickperformance.com/ 515-262-8283

4 Spring Eye Bolts N/A $3.00 ESPO Springs N Things http://www.springsnthings.com/ford-suspension-parts 1-800-903-9022

1 set Fiber Glass Leaf Springs(reverse eyes) N/A $435.00 Flex-Form http://www.flex-form.com/products.asp 1-864-225-8070 ask for reverse eye , remember to add caltrac plates

1 set Cal Trac Bars N/A $365.00 Calvert Racing Suspension http://calvertracing.com/index.php 661-728-9600 Tell them we are using flex form springs,

4 U Bolts N/A $5.00 ESPO Springs N Things http://www.springsnthings.com/ford-suspension-parts 1-800-903-9023

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1 302 Rebuild N/A Price to be determined S & S Motors Pleasent Hill Iowa 515-262-6367


These are just a few things we are addressing this year Should be quite a set up. I added links to where I getting most of the stuff. There is of course a fuel cell I am designing and having made. also misc. hoses and fittings.
Pics to follow soon. The only thing we are not purchasing this year is the rear end. Lori will have to baby it a year so the 8" lasts. lol
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What does it look like right now? Or did you take the winter off?

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Old 02-01-2012, 08:48 AM   #18
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As of right now it is tucked in a corner while i finish gutting the parts car. It is gutted down to a bare rolling shell, by the end of the month it will be on a rotissere and the photos will pick up a bit. Yesterday i finished getting the dash out and heating hardware on the parts car. Problem has been no time to work on it. But i start a new job on Monday and my weekends will be free again.Figure on new pics in two weeks.
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Old 07-06-2012, 01:23 PM   #20
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As of now the old Cobra II is no more, It has no roof or cowl and is getting scraped soon.
I have not gotten very far work has me very busy traveling.
Mostly Ohio, Dallas, and Chicago. Gon 5 weeks at a time only home on Sat. So I have not had the time to do anything as of yet. Well not completly true the parts car is done.
So right now it i get our ducks in a row time. I will post up some pics of how bad the Cobra II really was soon. There were parts of the subframe that were not even welded to the fire wall. And just think I let Lori do 100+ mph rips down the road in it. I am glad she did not get hurt. It was truely a mess.
I also had to buy her this to keep her from riding my butt about working on the car lol. I hope it gets her through the coming year.
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So i hope she is passified for now.
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