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Old 03-17-2009, 04:42 PM   #41
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I love the way when it comes to the article they compare the prices of a V6 Mustang to a V6 Camaro, but when it comes to performance they compare the V8 Mustang and V6 Camaro....real fair.
Well, it's not a fair comparison between any of the models. Chevy & Ford take two completely different approaches to the Muscle Cars:

V6 Maro. vs V6 Stang = Not fair for Ford
V6 Maro vs. V8 Stang = Not fair for Chevy
V8 Maro vs. V8 Stang = Not fair for Ford
V8 Maro vs. GT500 Stang = Not fair for Chevy

See my point? If both Ford & Chevy made similar price/similar power models than the battle would be fair. But's not fair for Chevy or Ford when it boils down.
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The 426 hp Camaro is in the price range of the mustang gt?
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I said it before and I'll say it again. I think both cars are great. I'm not a street race fanatic or track guy so I could really car less if one car is a half second behind on a 0-60. Its about the whole package inside and out and what you like more.

It was really a toss up for me between the two a few weeks ago. The inside looks of the camaro were a turn off but I liked the outside. I happend to like the mustang overall. Plus the fact you can steel an 09 right now (which i like better than the 2010 looks) the 0-60 performance wasnt a make or break and wont affect the everyday person who will be buying these cars. The ones it affects are the people who will be doing mods and such which will bring both cars in line with each other in the end anyhow.
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The 426 hp Camaro is in the price range of the mustang gt?
Depends on what you consider "in the same price range". The GT will start at 28K, the Camaro will start at 31K. An optioned out GT can land in the same price range as the SS. But adding options to the SS drives its price up to. Of course. A relatively loaded GT coupe will price out in the 35-38K range. A relatively loaded SS will price out over 40K.
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So technically the power to money ratio is still much better with the Camaro...
I don't think they correct times at the 1320 for that......
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You didn't list all the available options for the Camaro, first of all.
2010 Camaro

Camaro 2SS $34,180.00
Hydra-Matic 6L80 Automatic Transmission $995.00
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That Oviously wasnt the point...

What I specced out was 2 comparable builds
the Camaro was only $505 more than the GT
- its only $405 more because GM charges $750 for DFC and Ford charges $850 delivery

Also the Highwing spoiler is only an option for the LS/LT modles w/o the RS pack

fully deck out an Auto GT you are looking at $41225 + 850 = $42075

take the wing and 21'wheels off the Camaro and $41350 + 750 = $42100
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Plus, for the difference of a base Camaro, you could supercharge a GT. Then, forget about it.

It's all about finding the least expensive way to go fast.
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Actually, I was mistaken, Ford is including the delivery in the listing.
so it would be $41225 vs $42100

However, if I swap the GT rear cam with Accesory Pack 5
its goes to $41900

big $200 difference at that point
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It's $400 for the 3.55 LSD on the Camaro?
I'd think they'd go with a taller gear than that.
3.73, 4.11, or higher...
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That Oviously wasnt the point...

What I specced out was 2 comparable builds
the Camaro was only $505 more than the GT
- its only $405 more because GM charges $750 for DFC and Ford charges $850 delivery

Also the Highwing spoiler is only an option for the LS/LT modles w/o the RS pack

fully deck out an Auto GT you are looking at $41225 + 850 = $42075

take the wing and 21'wheels off the Camaro and $41350 + 750 = $42100
How are you figuring a comparative build? These two cars don't offer alot of the same options (no glass roof for the Camaro and no 20" rims for the GT, for example).

Regardless, I fail to see what the point of comparing different option specs on these two cars is. So you can prove that its possible to buy a GT optioned out to be more expensive than a new SS? Whooptee. If we wanted to go that route we could compare a decently optioned RS/SS with a baseline GT fitted with the optional 500hp s/c option.....the GT would probably be cheaper and also faster. But is that proving anything to you or me, bearing in mind we don't share the same wallet?

As I've said before in another thread, most of these options are merely customization concerns..........NOT performance altering mechanisms.
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Plus, for the difference of a base Camaro, you could supercharge a GT. Then, forget about it.

It's all about finding the least expensive way to go fast.


Base Camaro $22995 - Base GT $27995
Equal money says the Base Camaro buyer has $5k to mod their car you dont
or did you mean Base V8? because thats $30995
$3k buy alot of S/C?
$5466
$6k
$5125
$5679 to 400hp
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Base Camaro $22995 - Base GT $27995
Equal money says the Base Camaro buyer has $5k to mod their car you dont
or did you mean Base V8? because thats $30995
$3k buy alot of S/C?
$5466
$6k
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$5679 to 400hp
lol, He was referring to a base option SS, obviously. I don't think anyone is crazy enough to bring the sixxer models into this argument.
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First the point was made that a booked SS would be over $40k
Not so

2nd I said comparable not identical

Glass Roof vs Sunroof
19" as a buy vs 20" as standard
3.55Limited slip Dif as a buy for the GT vs 3.45 limited slip dif standard on the SS
(only have so much to work with on the GT)

3rd the 3.6L LLT in the base Camaro is set for 11.3:1 compression.
It's not going to take a long time for someone to detune, slap headers, exhaust and a turbo or S/C kit on it if nothing else than just see what happens

As for insanity, I think none us us can make a solid claim to a firm grasp on samity, otherwise we wouldn't care who buys what nor would we be obsessed with what we could do with a car that isnt available yet with money we probably don't want to spend.

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lol, He was referring to a base option SS, obviously. I don't think anyone is crazy enough to bring the sixxer models into this argument.
Yes, for the time being lets pretend there's no such thing as a V6 Muscle Car

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3.55Limited slip Dif as a buy for the GT vs 3.45 limited slip dif standard on the SS
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The 2010 GT has a 3.73 gear option, I believe it's the "Track Pack" or something similar, comes with wider tires and other goodies.
The reason I was expecting a higher rear gear ratio is for the SS I doubt Chevy is concerned with gas mileage, so why not move on to a taller gear; sure you'll lose 1-2 MPG, but in a car with 400hp you could shave off a solid .2 tenths in your 1/4 mile run.

Kind of the Dodge approach, 3.06 gears
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First the point was made that a booked SS would be over $40k
Not so
So you're saying that someone can easily spend over 40K on a loaded GT, but a loaded SS won't touch 40K? I'm gonna have to make you some coffee. I've done enough builds on various GM and Ford based websites to have gotten a good grasp on what a loaded version of either of these cars will run.


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3rd the 3.6L LLT in the base Camaro is set for 11.3:1 compression.
It's not going to take a long time for someone to detune, slap headers, exhaust and a turbo or S/C kit on it if nothing else than just see what happens
So you're saying that someone is gonna mod a sixxer 5th gen at some point? Muh God.....I didn't know one could do such a thing. Come on man, we're not that naive on this site. We've have some 05+ sixxer Stangs on this site that would give even the new SS nightmares. But that's kind of irrelevant.....you can modify anything to go faster.

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As for insanity, I think none us us can make a solid claim to a firm grasp on samity, otherwise we wouldn't care who buys what nor would we be obsessed with what we could do with a car that isnt available yet with money we probably don't want to spend.
Well, in this regard I can claim sanity.....as I have no intention of scouring the lots in search of any 2010 year model ponycars.....either Mustang or Camaro. My money will be staying in my pockets for the forseeable future. I just think that comparing various option trims between the two is kind of silly, and also irrelevant in terms of who is gonna buy what......as the last generation war between the GT and 4th gen F-body back in 98-02 showed an even closer base price between them (with a comparable gap in performance to the 2010s), and it didn't hurt the Mustang's sales at all.

Ppl like what they like. You will have non-gearheads who will readily spend 35k+ on a comfort optioned new GT, while you'll have gearhead nuts who will refuse to pay a dime over invoice on a no options SS......and vice versa. Until we start having to pay for our cars out of each others' pockets, who cares what the guy next to you spends on his ride?
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The reason I was expecting a higher rear gear ratio is for the SS I doubt Chevy is concerned with gas mileage, so why not move on to a taller gear; sure you'll lose 1-2 MPG, but in a car with 400hp you could shave off a solid .2 tenths in your 1/4 mile run.

Kind of the Dodge approach, 3.06 gears
On the contrary, GM has made it a very high priority to get good MPG figures out of the new Camaro.....which is the reason for the taller gear ratios standard. Same reason Ford backed down to the 3.31's in 07 after having the 3.55's standard for 05/06. These companies want to have good performing cars....yes. But they want the approval of the greenies more than the the gearheads....as the former represents a larger body of the consumer market than the latter.
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Depends on what you consider "in the same price range". The GT will start at 28K, the Camaro will start at 31K. An optioned out GT can land in the same price range as the SS. But adding options to the SS drives its price up to. Of course. A relatively loaded GT coupe will price out in the 35-38K range. A relatively loaded SS will price out over 40K.
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So you're saying that someone can easily spend over 40K on a loaded GT, but a loaded SS won't touch 40K? I'm gonna have to make you some coffee. I've done enough builds on various GM and Ford based websites to have gotten a good grasp on what a loaded version of either of these cars will run.
I said No such thing, You said a "relatively" loaded SS would be over $40k
I put together a 2ss with a few options, for $38,545
I specced out as close as I could get with the GT and it was cheaper but not that much cheaper.

Then someone threw every option they could get including the Auto6 and an option not available to the SS just to prove they could jack the Camaro price.

I followed that if someone specced a fully loaded GT with Auto (that doesnt allow the 3.73 gear btw) youd be up over $41k

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3rd the 3.6L LLT in the base Camaro is set for 11.3:1 compression.
It's not going to take a long time for someone to detune, slap headers, exhaust and a turbo or S/C kit on it if nothing else than just see what happens

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So you're saying that someone is gonna mod a sixxer 5th gen at some point? Muh God.....I didn't know one could do such a thing. Come on man, we're not that naive on this site. We've have some 05+ sixxer Stangs on this site that would give even the new SS nightmares. But that's kind of irrelevant.....you can modify anything to go faster.
My comment was in response to the below. looks like somone else needs the coffee
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lol, He was referring to a base option SS, obviously. I don't think anyone is crazy enough to bring the sixxer models into this argument.
You can't have it both ways. either noone would be talking about modding a V6 or yes they will. if its obvious that they will, then the whole I'll buy a GT and mod it because its cheaper than the 1SS is fair game to I'll buy a 304hp V6 1LS and mod it.

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I love my 05 Mustang GT, but decided to give it to my Son and I ordered a 2010 Camaro. I just checked with my dealer and he gave me this information. Feel free to compare it to the GT with similar options, I guessed on the license fees and calculated the taxes at retail. So this is very close to the cost as configured. I am paying invoice plus $500 plus additional fees for advertisement etc.... The price on the car is $37,245.63 below is the configuration. This includes destination charges and all dealer fees. Everything but tax and license. I ordered from a dealer in NY to get a car by early May and live in KY so I will pay KY taxes at 6%. So my car should cost me right at $39,512.55 as a final price. I think our Mustang GT and Camaro SS/RS will be very happy together in the driveway.

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When you guys are talking about GT options are you talking about superchargers and such? Or just the regular optional equipment?

I’m curious cause people are talking 37k or so with options. I picked up my 09 2 weeks ago after debating for several weeks between a 09 GT or the new Camaro (I do like both and I prefer the 05-09 GT’s exterior over the 2010 GT). I picked the Mustang GT for mainly some personal preference on looks and the price.

The sticker price was just over 35k MSRP. That included (09 Mustang GT coupe premium)

Auto transmission
GT security package
HID headlamps
Comfort Group package
GT Appearance Package
All Glass roof
18” polished Aluminum Wheel pony center caps


Now the options had nothing to do with performance enhancing where I assume a lot of money would bring up the price.

But with that aside I ended up paying $29,500 after tax and registration fees which was over 3k under invoice plus they through in a 3 year tire protection plan, transferred my car starter over to the GT, and put in rear molded mud flaps. So what would be added to this to bring it up to the 37-39k people are listing here?


Again I think both are outstanding cars and worth every penny if it makes you happy.

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