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Old 03-28-2009, 11:55 PM   #1
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i wasnt sure where to put this, but i figured it was considered a rumor and is up for discussion but here it is.

i am hearing that by 2011 obama wants to outlaw all vehicles that do not achieve 35mpg? and some cars are eligible to recieve modifications to achieve this via factory warranty and parts upgrade. is it just me or does this sound incredibly rediculous? i drive a......well i drive a 92 honda civic(dont make fun of me), im still in school so i need good gas mileage. but i only average between 32-34 mpg on an average basis. highway i get around 35-39(depending on cruise speed). is there anyone out there that also thinks this new fuel economy restriction is a load of bs? or is it just me?
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Old 03-29-2009, 04:51 AM   #2
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Load of BS IMO......he can mandate new cars to have that by a certain date but I doubt he would or could do so for every car out there. If he wants he can buy me a new Ford Fusion Hybrid !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and I will take the interest off as taxes for the next tax season!!!
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Old 03-29-2009, 06:52 AM   #3
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Obama Pushes Review of State Emissions

President Barack ObamaPresident Barack Obama is wasting no time to overturn, review, and otherwise stir up business from the George W. Bush administration that he disagrees with. Last week, it was closing the controversial Guantanamo Bay prison facility. This week, it is fuel economy. And Obama is pursuing it from the tailpipe.

The White House is directing the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to review a an application by California and 13 other states to set tighter restrictions on automotive emissions. To do so would mean stricter limits than currently required on the federal level, and it would effectively increase the fuel economy standards.

The administration feels increasing fuel economy standards further is “doable.”

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said, “The actions that the President took today put us on the path when we realize a fuel efficiency standard of 35 miles to the gallon -- it's 27.5 now -- 35 miles to the gallon will constitute a savings of 2 million barrels of oil a day, which is roughly comparable to the amount of oil that we import each day from the Persian Gulf.”

In addition, President Obama signed a memoranda at a White House ceremony today directing the Transportation Department to establish higher fuel economy standards for vehicles by model year 2011

These moves support Obama’s drive to increase our national energy independence. While the need is certainly there, lawmakers should take care to work closely with the troubled auto industry to ensure any revised targets can be achieved, or they risk legislating further economic hardships for automakers.
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The above is fine and dandy to me but it is for 2011 model yr vehicles...should have been done a long time ago. I just was not sure if the OP meant all vehicles or just those made 2011 and beyond. Thought maybe he was wondering if all vehicles would have to meet this requirement somehow by then not just the 2011 models...my bad
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35 mpg is all a fleet average anyway where companies like Ford use the Fusion and Focus to to pull up the average of vehicles like the F-150 and Mustang. The way the new Fusion hybrid is looking, that number shouldn't be too hard to meet if that car becomes a hot seller which I suspect it will.
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well if it states that the company only needs to sell them at 35+ mpg then that is ok, there are always after market mods.....cause nobody wants a bunch of muscle cars running around that cant break 15 in the 1/4 lol
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They cannot make it illegal to drive cars that dont get a certain MPG. The government makes a ton of money off of Gas Guzzler taxes on supercars and other low MPG vehicles anyways... why would they want to get rid of that tax? THEY CAN mandate that all vehicles made AFTER X.X.2011 have to have a certain MPG. China has a similar law about all cars getting a certain MPG (I think).
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They cannot make it illegal to drive cars that dont get a certain MPG. The government makes a ton of money off of Gas Guzzler taxes on supercars and other low MPG vehicles anyways... why would they want to get rid of that tax? THEY CAN mandate that all vehicles made AFTER X.X.2011 have to have a certain MPG. China has a similar law about all cars getting a certain MPG (I think).
ah i see, well thanks for clarifing it for me, i was afraid i would never have a fast mustang lol
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oh god this sounds almost as bad as the mileage tax in California
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Think gas is expensive now, wait until they start losing that 2 million barrels of oil a days in sales. They'll raise gas prices to make up the difference.
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Think gas is expensive now, wait until they start losing that 2 million barrels of oil a days in sales. They'll raise gas prices to make up the difference.
2 million barrels is nothing on a world wide scale. OPAC was cutting production by more then that per day and gas prices were still falling 6 months ago.
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Think gas is expensive now, wait until they start losing that 2 million barrels of oil a days in sales. They'll raise gas prices to make up the difference.
they raise it too high and ill get a gsxr lol.....or a stone wheel...

-its 2.02 right now in ohio. 2 weeks ago it was 1.58
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-its 2.02 right now in ohio. 2 weeks ago it was 1.58

Crap dude, those prices are amazing compared to Seattle...

lately the lowest has been about $2.17 for regular, and $2.41 for premium
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I wonder if that will go for trucks too? I mean the best a full size can get right now is what 20-21? I think the new f-150 gets that. But they can't expect to make it get almost double that in two years. So I wonder how that all works.
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i think it will be the average for the entire fleet of the company (corporate average fuel economy). i think going from 27.5 to 35 in two years in unrealistic. that's like a 25% increase.

it really bothers me that all the government can seem to do is beat the auto companies to death. when the government starts producing cars better, then i'll be more inclined to respect them.....o wait, the government doesn't produce cars at all do they?
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i think it will be the average for the entire fleet of the company (corporate average fuel economy). i think going from 27.5 to 35 in two years in unrealistic. that's like a 25% increase.

it really bothers me that all the government can seem to do is beat the auto companies to death. when the government starts producing cars better, then i'll be more inclined to respect them.....o wait, the government doesn't produce cars at all do they?
Increasing mpg standards isn't exactly new so the car companies really can't cry foul saying they were blindsided.
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From what I know different sizes of vehicles (ie: trucks, SUV's, sedans, compact cars, etc) all have different MPG requirements. So as for the trucks getting 35 MPG... No. If say the current MPG requirements FOR EXAMPLE are 15MPG for Trucks then they might raise it to 18-20MPG.

But like someone else said -- they aren't going to make it unrealistic MPG's to the point where cars are going to get such good MPG and hurt Gas Companies. More people would rather have low gas prices and low MPG then high gas prices and high MPG I would imagine.

With that said I know that car companies CAN get better MPG then they do. I've seen some private people/companies make some amazing Horsepower #'s with amazing MPG.

P.S. I managed 30MPG 100% highway the other day. New fuel filter, clean air filter, and a few other bits.
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Increasing mpg standards isn't exactly new so the car companies really can't cry foul saying they were blindsided.

i have nothing against better mpg, but my point is that the government likes to dictate a lot. and it's getting worse. they're going to force the auto companies to make cars people don't want to buy. i want to get off of foreign oil as much as the next guy, but i think it can be done better in the free market than through and edict from on high. and i'm pretty sure we're talking about an average of everything they build being 35mpg. so for every truck they sell at 20mpg, they have to sell something at 50mpg to balance that out. not even the new hybrid fusion makes 50mpg.
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here's is info from the national highway transportation safety board, the government agency that oversees the CAFE standards:

"What is CAFE?

Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) is the sales weighted average fuel economy, expressed in miles per gallon (mpg), of a manufacturer’s fleet of passenger cars or light trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 8,500 lbs. or less, manufactured for sale in the United States, for any given model year."

I stand corrected. There is a different standard for passenger cars vs. light trucks. the current standard for passenger cars is 27.5 mpg, and the standard for light trucks as of 2007 was 22.2 mpg.

So i guess the 35mpg is only for the car line. I wonder if they will say anything about the truck line.
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here's is info from the national highway transportation safety board, the government agency that oversees the CAFE standards:

"What is CAFE?

Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) is the sales weighted average fuel economy, expressed in miles per gallon (mpg), of a manufacturer’s fleet of passenger cars or light trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 8,500 lbs. or less, manufactured for sale in the United States, for any given model year."

I stand corrected. There is a different standard for passenger cars vs. light trucks. the current standard for passenger cars is 27.5 mpg, and the standard for light trucks as of 2007 was 22.2 mpg.

So i guess the 35mpg is only for the car line. I wonder if they will say anything about the truck line.

i dont think they will mess with the trucks too much, if they aim to have them get better gas mileage then where will the towing power go? it competely defeats the purpose of having a truck.....this thread really took off lol, didnt think there would be this many replies
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