03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
03-24-2004, 03:04 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
I am just saying that they are way more capable than you are saying. And there aint no way in hell that car should be losing if it has what he says.
And there anit to way it takes 650 HP to get into the 11s. That is exactly what you said.
I am not saying its cheapest, or the best way to go fast. Im saying the car is capable and willing to go this fast.
And there anit to way it takes 650 HP to get into the 11s. That is exactly what you said.
I am not saying its cheapest, or the best way to go fast. Im saying the car is capable and willing to go this fast.
03-24-2004, 03:11 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
I am just saying that they are way more capable than you are saying. And there aint no way in hell that car should be losing if it has what he says.
And there anit to way it takes 650 HP to get into the 11s. That is exactly what you said.
And there anit to way it takes 650 HP to get into the 11s. That is exactly what you said.
I kindly challenge you to find a video that will prove me wrong with both a video shoot of the Dyno saying less than 650 rwhp along side video of the cobra laying down 11s at the track...with the same Tremec T56 6 sp manual that comes standard on the 03 Cobras.
03-24-2004, 03:14 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
Sooooo....
The car is capable (well documented here) of running 12.80s in the 1/4. Thats about 400 HP at the flywheel.
Your telling me, and your being serious here, that it will take an additional 250 hp (?!?) to gain ONE SECOND on the track??? What, running spare donut tires on the rears?
Hell a 03 should be able to get close to an 11 just with a set of slicks, granted you better watch out for the rearend to splatter all over the track after a few runs.
BTW, OT here, but I havent seen the plethora of IRS splatters on the 03/04s that I saw on the eariler SVTs. Any reason why?
Id say your friend likes to smoke crack just about as much as you do.
The car is capable (well documented here) of running 12.80s in the 1/4. Thats about 400 HP at the flywheel.
Your telling me, and your being serious here, that it will take an additional 250 hp (?!?) to gain ONE SECOND on the track??? What, running spare donut tires on the rears?
Hell a 03 should be able to get close to an 11 just with a set of slicks, granted you better watch out for the rearend to splatter all over the track after a few runs.
BTW, OT here, but I havent seen the plethora of IRS splatters on the 03/04s that I saw on the eariler SVTs. Any reason why?
Id say your friend likes to smoke crack just about as much as you do.
03-24-2004, 03:17 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
Well for a guy who's had one, driven one, modded one and has had several friends with one you really think I'm going to believe you over him? riiight...
do you have any experience with the Cobra? No? Ok then. Find me the video.
and yes that is what I am saying, hp doesn't help if your gearing is too off with a ****ty t56 6 sp that will only hold 450 hp reliably.
do you have any experience with the Cobra? No? Ok then. Find me the video.
and yes that is what I am saying, hp doesn't help if your gearing is too off with a ****ty t56 6 sp that will only hold 450 hp reliably.
03-24-2004, 03:20 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
Lets just totally hijack the thread here and do a comparason.
AMG
Wieght: 3,857 lbs
Transmission Automatic 5spd
HP 469
Tq 516
Cobra
3665
Manual 6 speed
Lets say 475 at the flywheel?
God knows, maybe 475-500 Ft Lbs
Plus, Im thinking I saw that the E55 comes with a 3.27:1 gear ratio? The Cobra of course has a 3.55:1.
Im not comparing the two cars as if I were to buy them, the price and application is COMPLETELY different. I could easliy buy 2 03s for one E55, and I could easily be 10x as comfortable and relaxed in a E55 as I could a 03.
HOWEVER, I fail to see how a car with an AUTOMATIC (i dont care what you say, or how good it is, an auto still robs more power to the rear wheels than a stick) that wieghs more, has LESS horsepower and a little more TQ (unless the numbers posted for the 03 were at the ground, and it well could be) is going to walk away. Ignore what the cars are here, it just doesnt make since.
AMG
Wieght: 3,857 lbs
Transmission Automatic 5spd
HP 469
Tq 516
Cobra
3665
Manual 6 speed
Lets say 475 at the flywheel?
God knows, maybe 475-500 Ft Lbs
Plus, Im thinking I saw that the E55 comes with a 3.27:1 gear ratio? The Cobra of course has a 3.55:1.
Im not comparing the two cars as if I were to buy them, the price and application is COMPLETELY different. I could easliy buy 2 03s for one E55, and I could easily be 10x as comfortable and relaxed in a E55 as I could a 03.
HOWEVER, I fail to see how a car with an AUTOMATIC (i dont care what you say, or how good it is, an auto still robs more power to the rear wheels than a stick) that wieghs more, has LESS horsepower and a little more TQ (unless the numbers posted for the 03 were at the ground, and it well could be) is going to walk away. Ignore what the cars are here, it just doesnt make since.
03-24-2004, 03:22 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
ORIGINAL: own3dbyyou
Well for a guy who's had one, driven one, modded one and has had several friends with one you really think I'm going to believe you over him? riiight...
do you have any experience with the Cobra? No? Ok then. Find me the video.
and yes that is what I am saying, hp doesn't help if your gearing is too off with a ****ty t56 6 sp that will only hold 450 hp reliably.
Well for a guy who's had one, driven one, modded one and has had several friends with one you really think I'm going to believe you over him? riiight...
do you have any experience with the Cobra? No? Ok then. Find me the video.
and yes that is what I am saying, hp doesn't help if your gearing is too off with a ****ty t56 6 sp that will only hold 450 hp reliably.
Christ, and GOD KNOWS that a guy with enough money to purchase a 03 cobra and mod it up to 650 HP (apprently your friend had and did) cant afford a 1300 dollar TKO. **** that would be impossible. No way you can swap another transmission in there. You could even sell that T56 to somebody that wants one, probably get 600-700 bucks easy if it doesnt have many miles on it.
What do you think is wrong with the trans anyway? Its good enough to power a 400 HP car to a 12.80. What's the problem. From a purely mathimatical point of view, it doesnt make any since whatsoever that you would need 250 hp to increase your 1/4 mile from a 12.80 to a 11.99.
03-24-2004, 03:27 AM
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RE: 03 Cobra vs. Fast Supra video
German engineering. Thats all I have to say, there's a difference between a Mustang GT automatic gearbox and a German engineered 5 sp automatic gear box, especially on the AMG series cars. Not all RWD have the same % drivetrain loss.
it makes 469 hp and 516 ft lbs of torque, with a transmission that is more consistent than a 6 sp manual that kind of power will be transferred down to the ground with more accuracy.
I don't even know what this is about. I made a statement from testimony I've learned about through someone with mad experience in Cobras. Then suddenly it's "the AMG CAN'T beat the Cobra!" Face it man, Cobras aren't everything they're cracked up to be. They're great and all, but they aren't top dawg.
it makes 469 hp and 516 ft lbs of torque, with a transmission that is more consistent than a 6 sp manual that kind of power will be transferred down to the ground with more accuracy.
I don't even know what this is about. I made a statement from testimony I've learned about through someone with mad experience in Cobras. Then suddenly it's "the AMG CAN'T beat the Cobra!" Face it man, Cobras aren't everything they're cracked up to be. They're great and all, but they aren't top dawg.