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Ehhhhh.. so true but i have met a fewrice fans that know their stuff but to be honest alot of people are like this is the rice world.I ran across a dudein a bar that had a prelude with a huggggggge *** exhaust tip had to be atleast 4 1/2 inches. I asked him what mods he has and also gave him a sarcastic "nice exhaust tip" and he said "yeah this engine needs every bit of it". Ha..ha..ha........ I was a noob at one point but sheesh that comment was one for the books.