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What I was trying to argue is that it's more efficient to mod a petrol engine to get the same or better power. Why mod a diesel when you can mod a petrol to get better results?
Truce?
That's about the most insane comment I've seen in this entire thread. Diesels are insanely easy to get power out of. The only reason it may be easier to make a gas vehicle faster is weight. Damn near the only thing you can get a diesel in in the US is a truck.
They really aren't any more expensive to mod than a gasser either until you start getting to insane power levels... at which point it's expensive no matter how you do it. You could probably get 5-600hp out of a 5.9 or duramax for less than it would cost you to build a transmission to hold the power.
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That's about the most insane comment I've seen in this entire thread. Diesels are insanely easy to get power out of. The only reason it may be easier to make a gas vehicle faster is weight. Damn near the only thing you can get a diesel in in the US is a truck.
They really aren't any more expensive to mod than a gasser either until you start getting to insane power levels... at which point it's expensive no matter how you do it. You could probably get 5-600hp out of a 5.9 or duramax for less than it would cost you to build a transmission to hold the power.
Theres a MUCH larger market for gas engines; meaning more performance products, meaning more competition among manufacturers, meaning lower prices.
Where there may be only one of two turbocharger maker for diesel(Banks for example) theres dozens for Mustangs and petrol engines.
Another factor to consider: with harsher and harsher gas mileage and emissions standards every day chances are you won't see a kickass diesel engine in a car in America as a widely produced model. Obama as President, Democratic Congress, you'll see CAFE x2.
Sure you'll still see diesels, but they'll all be like those BlueTech Dodges.
Theres a MUCH larger market for gas engines; meaning more performance products, meaning more competition among manufacturers, meaning lower prices. Where there may be only one of two turbocharger maker for diesel(Banks for example) theres dozens for Mustangs and petrol engines.
Another factor to consider: with harsher and harsher gas mileage and emissions standards every day chances are you won't see a kickass diesel engine in a car in America as a widely produced model. Obama as President, Democratic Congress, you'll see CAFE x2.
Sure you'll still see diesels, but they'll all be like those BlueTech Dodges.
i'm sorry but you're not really right there. you can pretty much put any turbo you want on a diesel. now companies that make actual turbo kits, there's probably 25-30 companies that do that
and right now, diesel's are cleaner running than gas engines and more fuel efficient too.
i'm sorry but you're not really right there. you can pretty much put any turbo you want on a diesel. now companies that make actual turbo kits, there's probably 25-30 companies that do that
and right now, diesel's are cleaner running than gas engines and more fuel efficient too.
Yeah, and good luck finding tuners that can accomodate those 30 turbos.
Fuel efficient. Hands down.
Cleaner. Not by a long shot.
If they were cleaner, Toyota would drop them inside the Prius and get 100 MPG out them instead of the 60 from petrol engines.
i'm guessing you still think of diesel's as big dirty noisy engines then. a truck came into the shop today that had around 285k miles on it already ('08 model Kenworth). just for ****s and giggles i wanted to see if the new 15ppm sulfer diesel really is clean. wiped my finger on the inside of the stack and my finger came away clean. i don't know about you but that's really friggen clean.
and i don't think you got what i meant by the 25-30 companies. i didn't say put 30 turbos on one engine, i was saying there was way more companies that make turbo kits for diesels. and it's not hard to tune for a diesel. it's a matter of finding where the fuel mixture starts to become slightly rich and keeping the fuel rate just under that point.
i'm guessing you still think of diesel's as big dirty noisy engines then. a truck came into the shop today that had around 285k miles on it already ('08 model Kenworth). just for ****s and giggles i wanted to see if the new 15ppm sulfer diesel really is clean. wiped my finger on the inside of the stack and my finger came away clean. i don't know about you but that's really friggen clean.
and i don't think you got what i meant by the 25-30 companies. i didn't say put 30 turbos on one engine, i was saying there was way more companies that make turbo kits for diesels. and it's not hard to tune for a diesel. it's a matter of finding where the fuel mixture starts to become slightly rich and keeping the fuel rate just under that point.
....We were talking about emissions dirt....not physically dirty -_-
Yep, thats all it takes to tune a diesel. Yep. All it takes to de-ice a windshield is pour hot water on it.
....We were talking about emissions dirt....not physically dirty -_-
Yep, thats all it takes to tune a diesel. Yep. All it takes to de-ice a windshield is pour hot water on it.
Time for a lesson in basic diesel technology. First off, that is all the takes to tune a diesel, that is just how simple they operate. Of course, if you know more about them, please enlighten me.
Second, diesels only produce 2 pollutants. Carbon (not Carbon Dioxide, just carbon), Carbon is the black soot you see coming out of older or poorly tuned diesels. Carbon looks dirty, but is no different from any dirt or dust floating around.
The second is NOx, this is the big one, NOx is one Nitrogen with a variable number of oxygen, the amount of Oxygen is dependent on the temperature of combustion. NOx is harmless, you are already breathing Nitrogen and Oxygen.
Diesels are cleaner. Treehuggers just don't like the black stuff because it looks dirty.
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Time for a lesson in basic diesel technology. First off, that is all the takes to tune a diesel, that is just how simple they operate. Of course, if you know more about them, please enlighten me.
Second, diesels only produce 2 pollutants. Carbon (not Carbon Dioxide, just carbon), Carbon is the black soot you see coming out of older or poorly tuned diesels. Carbon looks dirty, but is no different from any dirt or dust floating around.
The second is NOx, this is the big one, NOx is one Nitrogen with a variable number of oxygen, the amount of Oxygen is dependent on the temperature of combustion. NOx is harmless, you are already breathing Nitrogen and Oxygen.
Diesels are cleaner. Treehuggers just don't like the black stuff because it looks dirty.
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