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Old 04-24-2012, 10:46 PM   #21
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Well it took Chevy 21 years to make a v6 Camaro that made more power than a 1989 Ford Taurus SHO. Which is more pathetic when you think about it.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:32 PM   #22
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so we're comparing specialty engines to corporate engines now??? alrighty.

3.0L Yamahammer v6 - 220bhp/200 btq.

3.8L corporate GM v6 - 200bhp/220btq.

i'd say that the 3800 Series II did fairly well for a low compression OHV v6 with a retardedly mild cam compared to a high compression 4v DOHC rocket engine.
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Hey, its not my fault that the performance sports car Camaro made less power than a frumpy boring 4 door family sedan. :i con_shrug::ico n_shrug::icon_ shrug:

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Hey, its not my fault that the performance sports car Camaro made less power than a frumpy boring 4 door family sedan. :i con_shrug::ico n_shrug::icon_ shrug:
Are you f@#king retarded? You are comparing Taurus's top model to a base model V6 Camaro? No one is buying a V6 Camaro to brag about the performance, they made a compromise of speed for fuel mileage and price while keeping the muscle car styling.

And since we are on a mustang forum, do you REALLY want to talk about base model performance? Really...? Go look at the Mustang's 3.8 V6 vs the Camaro's 3800 and let me know...
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And since we are on a mustang forum, do you REALLY want to talk about base model performance? Really...? Go look at the Mustang's 3.8 V6 vs the Camaro's 3800 and let me know...
You have a point about the v6 mustang sucking more than the camaro. At least the 2010 v6 camaro makes more power than the 1989 Taurus, something the 2010 v6 mustang didn't do.
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I'm guessing ford doesn't give a sh*t about the performance of their v6 as long as people are buying them instead of v6 camaros.
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I'm guessing ford doesn't give a sh*t about the performance of their v6 as long as people are buying them instead of v6 camaros.
This is true with the V6s and GTs. I don't think most Ford executives were bothered that the LS1 Camaro was over a second faster than their new edge GT because it was killing the Camaro in sales. The Mustang was more watered down and made to appeal to a wider group of people. Not saying that it was a bad car, so don't think I'm flaming the mustang. The LS1 was just built with performance in mind more than sales while the mustang wasn't. Perhaps that's why the F-body died in 2002.
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lol who gives a rats *** about V6's... really??
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A good many people do, if it wasnt for the 6's you wouldnt have your V8s.

The biggest thing is sales, performance is second to sales and price.

Just the facts as of right now, the SS is considered more of a specialty car like the SVT but if you wanna get technical now the GT can easily run with the new Camaro.

If it wasnt fun to talk trash and race them, we wouldnt have them. Its always a thrill to beat the fast guy around
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all mustangs are faster than all camaros. thats the important thing to remember.

also, the 2011 v6 mustang is pretty close to the 1998 v8 camaro in performance, they both run high 12s/low 13s stock and the v6 has better interior/styling/comfort.
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.... Perhaps that's why the F-body died in 2002.
I think it's more about a poor job at marketing than anything else.
I never saw a commercial/advertising about the F-body cars.
They came with V6 as well so it should have sold with a decent marketing initiative...
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I haven't seen any new camaro commercials, but maybe they spent enough on the transformer movies and commericals. I haven't seen any challenger commercials either, but ive seen a few different mustang commercials in the past couple of years. I like the latest one I keep seeing, where the car changes colors as it passes different people.
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all mustangs are faster than all camaros. thats the important thing to remember.

also, the 2011 v6 mustang is pretty close to the 1998 v8 camaro in performance, they both run high 12s/low 13s stock and the v6 has better interior/styling/comfort.
Mishri, you hurt my head. What 3.7 has run a high 12 stock? How much does a 2011 V6 Cost? LS1 F bodies can easily be found for $7k.

The 3.7 is 14 years newer than the LS1 and you want to compare them? You really want to compare V8s versus V6s? The '98 Camaro 3.8 and '98 Mustang GT is a drivers race. In addition the Camaro was cheaper and they were made in the same year...



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I think it's more about a poor job at marketing than anything else.
I never saw a commercial/advertising about the F-body cars.
Maybe you weren't old enough to remember, but I used to love this commercial lol.

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A good many people do, if it wasnt for the 6's you wouldnt have your V8s.

The biggest thing is sales, performance is second to sales and price.

Just the facts as of right now, the SS is considered more of a specialty car like the SVT but if you wanna get technical now the GT can easily run with the new Camaro.

If it wasnt fun to talk trash and race them, we wouldnt have them. Its always a thrill to beat the fast guy around
We are speaking from a performance standpoint. The 4.0 V6 in my Jeep > * if we are going to talk about 6cyls
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We are speaking from a performance standpoint. The 4.0 V6 in my Jeep > * if we are going to talk about 6cyls
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Mishri, you hurt my head. What 3.7 has run a high 12 stock? How much does a 2011 V6 Cost? LS1 F bodies can easily be found for $7k.

The 3.7 is 14 years newer than the LS1 and you want to compare them? You really want to compare V8s versus V6s? The '98 Camaro 3.8 and '98 Mustang GT is a drivers race. In addition the Camaro was cheaper and they were made in the same year...
haha i was trolling you! and the rest of your post had better be a return trolling otherwise....

can't compare brand new car prices to 14 year old cars with 200,000 miles on them.

and the 1998 v6 camaro wasn't a drivers race with the 1998 GT, unless you consider 1.5-2 second difference in 1/4 mile times a drivers race. thats even more of a difference than between the LS1 and the 2011 mustang v6
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lol who gives a rats *** about V6's... really??
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Well all the Ford vs GM crap asside, both the Mustang and Camaro are great performance cars, each with a different kind of audiance in mind.

However one thing has changed since the old days of Mustang vs Camaro, modular vs ls series, Ford is no longer letting GM hold the performance titles and has aggressively went after GM in performance (look at the new 5.0 and 3.5), however it's gonna cost them if they don't get their priorities straight.

The Camaro began to faulter due to lack of advertising and rising prices putting them out of range of your average buyer while the Mustang still came in at a relatively low price.

Then Ford went ballistic and Mustang prices slowly began to raise $1000 every year without reason or innovation involved, and with the release of the new models Ford has priced the Mustang out of reach of your average person, GM has done the same with the Camaro.

In a nut shell, while all these bad a** specialty cars being made are cool to talk about, who is gonna be able to afford them, not any of us I assure you that. Example, the Shelby 1000 is cool, but a $150,000 Shelby, Jesus Christ....I could buy a Ferarri for that price, SERRIOUSLY!!! And with the regular models starting at over 25K for next to no options.....hold on while I gasp for air....it's gonna be interesting to see what happens next.

If this trend continues the days of the pony car giving the every day man power without the money are over.
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and the 1998 v6 camaro wasn't a drivers race with the 1998 GT, unless you consider 1.5-2 second difference in 1/4 mile times a drivers race. thats even more of a difference than between the LS1 and the 2011 mustang v6
My '98 auto sixer went 15.107 @ 90.57 mph with intake & exhaust on street tires (without the LSD and better gears that Y87 V6s had). Stock 3.8s usually run around 15.7.

96-98 GTs are not running 13.5-14 second 1/4 miles. They usually run high 14s to mid 15s, which is pretty close to a 3.8 Camaro, especially if it has the Y87 package.
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so.. stock v6 camaros ran 15.7, stock 98 gts ran 13.5.-14.0, 1.5-2 secs faster than the v6.. okay dokay yes. pretty close if you are bad at maths, or trolling.
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