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Old 12-02-2014, 02:16 PM   #1
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Default Keystone pipeline - yay or nay?

Obviously im going to say yay due to the type of work i do.

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Old 12-02-2014, 02:36 PM   #2
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Hell yay IBT Preacher
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I drive a v-10 and a v8, of course I want cheaper gas.
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I know a lot of people say the pipeline will leak into their water wells.

I'd like to see a compromise at least.

Currently the gov't requires that a pipeline must be inspected every 5 years with a pigging tool.
Why not make that every 3 years and make it mandatory to use a pig that inspects the wall thickness as it goes down the line. I know for a fact they make these types of pigs and most oil companies use a pig that just cleans out the line for debris.
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Pipeline?

Hell.

Pecker.

Yes.
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Not Yay, but Hell yay!
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Was kind of hoping to get a good debate out of this
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I'm sorry. I'm going to have to be "that guy". I want the KXL to be a good thing. We desperately NEED a good thing in this country to help push the economy in a good direction. But the more I read about the KXL, the more it looks like smoke and mirrors for the 1%. So I'm torn.

pro: It creates some jobs while under construction.
con: After it's completion, it retains only 50 jobs to maintain it.
pro: It reduces emissions by reducing trucking and rail to transport the tar sand oil to the US for refining.
con: It "cuts" all of those trucking jobs because they are no longer needed with the KXL.
pro: It allows a faster turnover to produce refined oil here in the US to sell overseas.
con: It increases pollution at an alarming rate here in the US to refine oil sold overseas.
pro: More production of refined oil here in the states will create an abundance, thus lowering gas prices.
con: Crude oil prices are based on world market value and probably won't change the price at the pump. Some say it might increase it because the tar sands crude is harder to refine and the US/Texas oil that's easier to refine will be stockpiles. (I still don't completely understand this part, but it is a concern by oil economic experts)

The estimated cost has doubled from the original estimates and is now at almost 11 billion.
Pro: The estimated $11 billion cost will mostly be dumped back into the US economy over time. This is assuming that politicians that invest in overseas companies, products and services don't create policies to use those resources and it uses only US products and services.
con: It will cost the tax payers upfront. But I'd rather see tax payer money spent in this way, rather than useless wars.

So yeah, I'm torn. It gives a lot of jobs for a couple years. Doesn't really change prices at the pumps. Creates more pollution. Makes the worlds wealthiest wealthier. Does nothing for 98% of Americans. Takes the focus off engineering greener sustainable methods of energy.

By the way, I'm not really concerned about the ecological issues directly related to the pipeline itself. The refining and increased use of oil around the world, yes. But from everything I've read, spills and wildlife concerns are so minimal, it's a non issue.
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Was kind of hoping to get a good debate out of this
You need to post this question on the Honda Prius forum for that. The people on this forum are smart enough to drive Mustangs so automatically they aren't dumb enough to not want the pipeline.
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You need to post this question on the Honda Prius forum for that. The people on this forum are smart enough to drive Mustangs so automatically they aren't dumb enough to not want the pipeline.
Hey! Who you callin' not dumb enough?


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