Oil and Oil Related Topics A place to post your oil related questions and comments

Is a Lead Additive Necessary for a '65

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-08-2011, 08:52 PM
  #1  
Tom@BearCanyon
Thread Starter
 
Tom@BearCanyon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Arizona
Posts: 5
Question Is a Lead Additive Necessary for a '65

Since I first bought my '65 Convertible with a 289, I have added Liquid Lead to every fill-up and have had no problems at all.

Now I can't find the Liquid Lead product I used at all and have been told I really don't need to add it anyway. I think this is bad advice, but would appreciate any expert's advise as to what I should do going forward.

Thanks for the time and thoughts.
Tom@BearCanyon is offline  
Old 01-08-2011, 11:22 PM
  #2  
mustangted
1st Gear Member
 
mustangted's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: albany NY
Posts: 131
Default

i use a lead subistute made by Red Line oil.
mustangted is offline  
Old 01-09-2011, 01:35 PM
  #3  
Jfsram
4th Gear Member
 
Jfsram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Posts: 1,999
Default

You can't easily find lead additive because it's been banned in most places. It's bad for everything, 30 years went by, find something better.

I've had 2 distinct scenarios concerning lead in an old engine.

Had a 70 Road Runner. Ran in the mid 11's with a stock iron cylinder head. Every visit to the track I lost a bit of mph. 5 mph later I took the engine apart to find most of the 8 exhaust valves were slowly, slightly sinking into their seats.
Soft seats, higher valve spring pressures and more rpm eventually sunk my seats.
I solved the problem by installing hardened seats. Some refer to them as stellite.

The other car is my wife's 1965 Plymouth Belvedere. It's a 6 cylinder that has NEVER had the engine or anything rebuilt. These seats have not sunk 1 thou. I know that because it's a solid lifter engine and checking the lash 10 years ago then again 1 year ago to find them still in factory spec is amazing. Anyways we only feed her regular 87 octane unleaded. On that note, it's has very low spring pressure, it's super gutless and it never sees high rpm.
Jfsram is offline  
Old 01-10-2011, 01:54 PM
  #4  
v braaten
1st Gear Member
 
v braaten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ca
Posts: 114
Default

Putting pump gas in an old engine won't hurt anything. It's the opposite where trouble happens. Don't put lead in a modern engine.
v braaten is offline  
Old 01-11-2011, 04:56 PM
  #5  
Unleashedbeast
4th Gear Member
 
Unleashedbeast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Pensacola, Florida
Posts: 1,465
Default

Can someone bring me up to speed and tell me the advantages of leaded fuels and why they used them back in the hay day. I really have never studied this.
Unleashedbeast is offline  
Old 01-11-2011, 09:44 PM
  #6  
Rubrignitz
5th Gear Member
 
Rubrignitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: TX
Posts: 4,897
Default

Leaded fuel lubricated the exhaust valve seats on older heads with non-hardened valve seats. It kept the valve from sticking under high temperatures and wearing the seat down. Newer heads have hardened seats to prevent this with unleaded fuel.
Rubrignitz is offline  
Old 01-11-2011, 10:12 PM
  #7  
Cusp
2nd Gear Member
 
Cusp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: California
Posts: 277
Default

Yes but the lead was how the Octane was raised. Raw gas is about 50 Octane. It took tetraethylead blended in the fuel to raise the Octane which in turn allowed higher compression and spark timing which made big gains in engine performance possible.
Cusp is offline  
Old 01-11-2011, 10:25 PM
  #8  
Rubrignitz
5th Gear Member
 
Rubrignitz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: TX
Posts: 4,897
Default

Originally Posted by Cusp
Yes but the lead was how the Octane was raised. Raw gas is about 50 Octane. It took tetraethylead blended in the fuel to raise the Octane which in turn allowed higher compression and spark timing which made big gains in engine performance possible.
Yep, I should have added that. Those engines were also typically 12.5:1 compression back in the day.
Rubrignitz is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
b8checker
Classic Mustangs (Tech)
8
10-08-2015 12:55 PM
breaking
Audio/Visual Electronics
5
10-02-2015 01:27 PM
tj@steeda
Florida Regional Chapter
0
09-30-2015 08:04 PM
b8checker
New Member Area
3
09-30-2015 07:11 AM



Quick Reply: Is a Lead Additive Necessary for a '65



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:45 AM.