Pipes, Boost & Juice Talk about Exhaust, Nitrous, Blowers, Turbos, Superchargers... whatever makes you go faster!

Compression Ratio

Old 08-08-2003, 09:53 PM
  #1  
Turtle
Thread Starter
 
Turtle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 39
Default Compression Ratio

I have what is probably a stupid question. Prior to adding a supercharger to an engine, what should the compression ratio be?
Turtle is offline  
Old 08-08-2003, 10:43 PM
  #2  
makarovboy
2nd Gear Member
 
makarovboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 270
Default Compression Ratio

I've always read that 8.5 is great, 9.5 requires more tuning and 10.5:1 is a no-no. The s/c manufacturer will have all the spec's for each of their applications. (low psi vs. high psi, etc.)
makarovboy is offline  
Old 08-08-2003, 10:52 PM
  #3  
Sean
3rd Gear Member
 
Sean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 893
Default Compression Ratio

I have also read that 8.5 is good, but as makarovboy posted I would go with what the man. of the supercharger suggests.
Sean is offline  
Old 08-09-2003, 12:34 AM
  #4  
BCisme
5th Gear Member
 
BCisme's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 2,129
Default Compression Ratio

yep 9.0 or lower, the lower the better. to a point of course. that's why say a stock GT engine, like mine at 9:1, can handle a small boost ok, but alot of those high compression honda engines, mainly VTECs, don't hold up to boost very well. a guy i was in korea with has a friend who owns an import shop, and they turbocharged about 5 or 6 S2000's. just 6 psi kits. they quit doing it because they kept blowing head gaskets.
BCisme is offline  
Old 08-09-2003, 03:51 AM
  #5  
84stang
1st Gear Member
 
84stang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: United States
Posts: 85
Default Compression Ratio

High compression and high boost dont go together very well. 8.5:1 is one of the most popular. Personally i would go with 8:1.
84stang is offline  
Old 08-09-2003, 03:54 AM
  #6  
Almighty-Si
 
Almighty-Si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location:
Posts: 7
Default Compression Ratio

The saying is the lower the safer. You can run more boost with lower compression but with lower compression it will take more boost to make the same power as someone running higher compression at low boost.

I run a 10.2:1 compression in my Honda and boosting 10psi with an 18G turbocharger and I haven't broken anything yet. It's all about proper fuel and tuning.
Almighty-Si is offline  
Old 08-09-2003, 03:41 PM
  #7  
horatio102
4th Gear Member
 
horatio102's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: B'ham, WA
Posts: 1,484
Default Compression Ratio

Key word - yet. Unless of course you've properly built the motor. Pretty much all of the Subarus that get 3-4psi kits are ok, but when they start running 6+ they all end up blowing up the motors. One guy ran his for 3 years before it puked. Others make it a matter of months or even weeks.

Even stock turbocharged motors can blow if the owner is an idiot. Some fool in Seattle slapped a manual boost controller on his WRX and cranked the boost up to 18psi and ended up sending the rod through the top of a piston. And then he drove it around even though "it made funny noises" and was down on power.


Stock 5.0 bottom ends are pretty tough. If you want to go for max boost, build the bottom end even more, and go low compression. They're right about it taking more boost to make similar power, but with lower compression you can throw even more boost at it.
horatio102 is offline  
Old 08-10-2003, 03:31 AM
  #8  
Almighty-Si
 
Almighty-Si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location:
Posts: 7
Default Compression Ratio

Originally Posted by horatio102
Key word - yet. Unless of course you've properly built the motor. Pretty much all of the Subarus that get 3-4psi kits are ok, but when they start running 6+ they all end up blowing up the motors. One guy ran his for 3 years before it puked. Others make it a matter of months or even weeks.

Even stock turbocharged motors can blow if the owner is an idiot. Some fool in Seattle slapped a manual boost controller on his WRX and cranked the boost up to 18psi and ended up sending the rod through the top of a piston. And then he drove it around even though "it made funny noises" and was down on power.


Stock 5.0 bottom ends are pretty tough. If you want to go for max boost, build the bottom end even more, and go low compression. They're right about it taking more boost to make similar power, but with lower compression you can throw even more boost at it.
Oh I know, i'm not expecting it to last forever. I will be rebuilding it over the winter months anyways though I will run the same compression just with forged units rods and will be doing iron sleeves as well. Just want to squeeze out another 5-6psi out of it.<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0">
Almighty-Si is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 11:19 AM
  #9  
BCisme
5th Gear Member
 
BCisme's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 2,129
Default Compression Ratio

so this guy who lives in my building has got his jackson racing s/c now, running 8 psi non intercooled, on a completely stock except for cat back integra type R. i havent asked him too much about it yet, but i believe he bolted it on blind, w/o any dyno runs and tuning work. Almighty-Si.... or anyone else... care to comment on how this might affect engine reliability?
BCisme is offline  
Old 08-13-2003, 04:27 PM
  #10  
horatio102
4th Gear Member
 
horatio102's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: B'ham, WA
Posts: 1,484
Default Compression Ratio

Honda bottom ends are pretty stout. Find out what he's done to it, what all the kit contains, etc.
horatio102 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Compression Ratio



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:11 PM.