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Old 10-02-2007, 03:05 PM   #21
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Hey jmonda did you ever put that car on the dyno?
Yeah I sure did. I had it Dyno tuned is actually 297 rwhp air to fuel 11.3. I would like to get more horse the mechanic tells me to up the psi. Not sure what to do.
How many pounds of boost is it putting out?
The guy said it was at 9psi He said the easiest way and cheapest to ad some HP would be go more. I asked him about doing a pi intake swap and he did not think it would do any good. I looked at intercoolers but man they are way up their as far as price. Was thinking about doing a TB and Plenum. Not sure
I would not go any more than 9lbs if you want that motor to last...unless you know the bottom end is built dont up the boost....

Meth Injection is the cheapest way to add 25-50 more horse, but you will have to get the car tuned again....

The Anderson Mr. Freeze Kit is the cheapest $189 and easiest kit to install*...that is what I have....This does not hurt the motor either...like running a lot more boost or nitrous....it acts like an intercooler.* You could also get a Power Pipe from Anderson that is usually worth a few more ponies...

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

I'm surprised you didn't say anything about this, nanki.* This is what I'm planning to do.* I'm assuming you have the non PI mustang.* Did you really get less than 300 hp with 9 lbs of boost?
Yes I have 297 rwhp not just hp. With the boost.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:09 PM   #22
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Jmonda...this is probably a good move someday:

http://www.parkwayperformance.com/2vheadswap.asp
I was going to look at doing the full PI swap but the mechainc I use said by the time I do it I might as well put a different engine in with the cost of the head swap. I am sure alot of you guys are able to do it yourselves but to be honest I have little knowledge other then limited on what I have picked up hear and there. I mean I am the guy who dropped the engine on my wifes car before we were married just to check it out and never could get it back together, HA. If I knew what I was doing then I would do the swap myself.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:10 PM   #23
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Hey jmonda did you ever put that car on the dyno?
Yeah I sure did. I had it Dyno tuned is actually 297 rwhp air to fuel 11.3. I would like to get more horse the mechanic tells me to up the psi. Not sure what to do.
How many pounds of boost is it putting out?
The guy said it was at 9psi He said the easiest way and cheapest to ad some HP would be go more. I asked him about doing a pi intake swap and he did not think it would do any good. I looked at intercoolers but man they are way up their as far as price. Was thinking about doing a TB and Plenum. Not sure
I would not go any more than 9lbs if you want that motor to last...unless you know the bottom end is built dont up the boost....
Are the non-PI internal and block any different than the PI ones? I thought they were the same with the difference being only the heads and intake.

9psi or 19psi, 300 rwhp is not stressing the motor. 400 to the wheels is fine on the stock modular 4.6 platform.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:12 PM   #24
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BTW... why would he say that the PI swap wouldn't do anything? That's a rather unusual statement.*
Their seems to be varying opinion on the pi intake swap with a supercharger some say you will get big gains others say you wont. The only way to know is to know of someone that has only swapped the intake that has a vortech supercharger and see their results.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:36 PM   #25
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Hey jmonda did you ever put that car on the dyno?
Yeah I sure did. I had it Dyno tuned is actually 297 rwhp air to fuel 11.3. I would like to get more horse the mechanic tells me to up the psi. Not sure what to do.
How many pounds of boost is it putting out?
The guy said it was at 9psi He said the easiest way and cheapest to ad some HP would be go more. I asked him about doing a pi intake swap and he did not think it would do any good. I looked at intercoolers but man they are way up their as far as price. Was thinking about doing a TB and Plenum. Not sure
I would not go any more than 9lbs if you want that motor to last...unless you know the bottom end is built dont up the boost....

Meth Injection is the cheapest way to add 25-50 more horse, but you will have to get the car tuned again....

The Anderson Mr. Freeze Kit is the cheapest $189 and easiest kit to install...that is what I have....This does not hurt the motor either...like running a lot more boost or nitrous....it acts like an intercooler. You could also get a Power Pipe from Anderson that is usually worth a few more ponies...

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

I'm surprised you didn't say anything about this, nanki. This is what I'm planning to do. I'm assuming you have the non PI mustang. Did you really get less than 300 hp with 9 lbs of boost?
i tolld ya to get the mr freeze kit. that's the one i linked you to. there's no reason you shouldn't see about ~340RWHP with the meth injection as chris said.
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Old 10-02-2007, 05:42 PM   #26
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The Anderson Mr. Freeze Kit is the cheapest $189 and easiest kit to install...that is what I have....This does not hurt the motor either...like running a lot more boost or nitrous....it acts like an intercooler. You could also get a Power Pipe from Anderson that is usually worth a few more ponies...

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/
The only thing that scares me about that kit is the fact that you're literally pumping water and methanol through your impeller blades. I have heard a lot of arguments from both sides of the fence, but I'm still leaning towards the side of caution.

But then again, I can't run a Mr. Freeze even if I wanted to. No way it would work with my Procharger. So I had to go with the snow kit instead.
First off this Samseed Dude...doesnt know what the hell he is talking about...Just kidding ...He actually does...

I did talk to Vortech and they know of no damaged blades from Meth to date!!!!

I like it because there are no wires...and it installs in 10 minutes....
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Old 10-02-2007, 05:54 PM   #27
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Basically you are at the the Point we all come to at some point.....

How much Power is enough for you and/ortoo much for the block etc....

Here are your options as I see it...

1. Change the pulley and run 11 or 13lbs of boost....get Meth Injection and another tune...should see 350-360 at the wheels..not sure how long the motor and head gaskets will hold...but that is the chance we all take...boosting a stock motor.

2. Add Meth Injection and a new tune...should give you 25-50 more rear wheel horse and it should be safe...

3. Just enjoy the car as is...


What else is done to the car?

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Old 10-02-2007, 05:55 PM   #28
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The Anderson Mr. Freeze Kit is the cheapest $189 and easiest kit to install*...that is what I have....This does not hurt the motor either...like running a lot more boost or nitrous....it acts like an intercooler.* You could also get a Power Pipe from Anderson that is usually worth a few more ponies...

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/
The only thing that scares me about that kit is the fact that you're literally pumping water and methanol through your impeller blades. I have heard a lot of arguments from both sides of the fence, but I'm still leaning towards the side of caution.

But then again, I can't run a Mr. Freeze even if I wanted to. No way it would work with my Procharger. So I had to go with the snow kit instead.
First off this Samseed Dude...doesnt know what the hell he is talking about...Just kidding ...He actually does...

I did talk to Vortech and they know of no damaged blades from Meth to date!!!!

I like it because there are no wires...and it installs in 10 minutes....
Are you serious it installs in ten minutes? I mean I am a total idiot when it comes to cars.
I red the instructions and I can picture screwing this thing up. But man a gain or 40 rwhp sounds nice. For instance
2. Locate the 7/32 hose with the jet in the end of the hose. (what is that referring to is the a hose with mr. freeze_
3. Route it nicely with no kinks in it to the intake pipe of the supercharger. (I am so dumb I figure it is not hard to figure the intake pipe but you never know)
9. Route the 1⁄4 hose from Mr. Freeze to a good vacuum / boost source on intake and
secure hose. (I have no clue)

One other question you really seem against increasing the psi why is that. Sorry for my ignorance. But I figured If I bumped to 12 and did the mr freeze man that would be a big boost?

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Old 10-02-2007, 06:02 PM   #29
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12lbs of boost with Meth if tuned right can be a safe package....

I run 10lbs in mine, but my motor is built...I have real good Cometic MLS head gaskets that can handle it...not sure how long stock head gaskets will handle 12lbs of boost...maybe some of the 4.6 guys can elaborate on that...I dont know the modular motors really..

re. Mr. Freeze Install...realistically 30 minutes by the time you find a mounting place etc.....the kit comes all put together...you only have to mount it somewhere...plug one house into vacuum on the intake and put the one with the jet into the blower inlet tube and secure it...BUT you will not make that much more power unless it is tuned for it...the tuner will add timing into it due to the Meth....(Lots to learn I know)
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:19 PM   #30
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12lbs of boost with Meth if tuned right can be a safe package....

I run 10lbs in mine, but my motor is built...I have real good Cometic MLS head gaskets that can handle it...not sure how long stock head gaskets will handle 12lbs of boost...maybe some of the 4.6 guys can elaborate on that...I dont know the modular motors really..

re. Mr. Freeze Install...realistically 30 minutes by the time you find a mounting place etc.....the kit comes all put together...you only have to mount it somewhere...plug one house into vacuum on the intake and put the one with the jet into the blower inlet tube and secure it...BUT you will not make that much more power unless it is tuned for it...the tuner will add timing into it due to the Meth....(Lots to learn I know)
So when I do this and take it to get retuned then the guy should not that he needs to add timing If I tell him I have meth or should I tell him I have meth and he needs to add timing? And will he know what I am even talking about if he is not familiar with the meth? That would stink to do this then take it in and have him not have a clue.

As far as I know all I have is flowmasters and the supercharger and thats it.
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