The Driver Effect
#11
All credit to Sam Strano who has ably demonstrated what the Mustang is capable of on an AX course, but it must be said that tires play a huge part in AX performance. If you put 295 series Hoosiers on your car and run an AX event it will offset a very large amount of seat time. In effect, they can negate the weight penalty that the Mustang has versus small cars such as a Hyundai Accent.
I'm not recommending you do this(!); just pointing out that tires have very dramatic effects on AX times regardless of whether you're a newbie or an expert driver.
Last edited by zero2sixd; 08-29-2008 at 03:43 PM.
#12
To be fair though, AX is setup to take away the Mustang's strength (straight line acceleration) and level the playing field. If you take that away, you're left with a big, heavy car trying to squeeze it's way through a tight course at (relatively) low speed. Now, an open road course, that's a different story.
All credit to Sam Strano who has ably demonstrated what the Mustang is capable of on an AX course, but it must be said that tires play a huge part in AX performance. If you put 295 series Hoosiers on your car and run an AX event it will offset a very large amount of seat time. In effect, they can negate the weight penalty that the Mustang has versus small cars such as a Hyundai Accent.
I'm not recommending you do this(!); just pointing out that tires have very dramatic effects on AX times regardless of whether you're a newbie or an expert driver.
All credit to Sam Strano who has ably demonstrated what the Mustang is capable of on an AX course, but it must be said that tires play a huge part in AX performance. If you put 295 series Hoosiers on your car and run an AX event it will offset a very large amount of seat time. In effect, they can negate the weight penalty that the Mustang has versus small cars such as a Hyundai Accent.
I'm not recommending you do this(!); just pointing out that tires have very dramatic effects on AX times regardless of whether you're a newbie or an expert driver.
I tried the AX event as it was a joint Mustang/F body meet but my real interest is lapping days and my car was set up for these and it is all I expected it to be and more. Now the budget goes for more seat time!
Last edited by Sleeper_08; 08-29-2008 at 09:09 PM.
#13
Heel-Toe downshifting isn't something that needs to be learned at the track. I practice all the time in daily driving while coming up to stoplights/stopsigns. It helps to be able to learn your foot positioning while braking in a straight line in public rather than at the track where you are worrying about so much other stuff.
#14
To be fair though, AX is setup to take away the Mustang's strength (straight line acceleration) and level the playing field. If you take that away, you're left with a big, heavy car trying to squeeze it's way through a tight course at (relatively) low speed. Now, an open road course, that's a different story.
All credit to Sam Strano who has ably demonstrated what the Mustang is capable of on an AX course, but it must be said that tires play a huge part in AX performance. If you put 295 series Hoosiers on your car and run an AX event it will offset a very large amount of seat time. In effect, they can negate the weight penalty that the Mustang has versus small cars such as a Hyundai Accent.
I'm not recommending you do this(!); just pointing out that tires have very dramatic effects on AX times regardless of whether you're a newbie or an expert driver.
All credit to Sam Strano who has ably demonstrated what the Mustang is capable of on an AX course, but it must be said that tires play a huge part in AX performance. If you put 295 series Hoosiers on your car and run an AX event it will offset a very large amount of seat time. In effect, they can negate the weight penalty that the Mustang has versus small cars such as a Hyundai Accent.
I'm not recommending you do this(!); just pointing out that tires have very dramatic effects on AX times regardless of whether you're a newbie or an expert driver.
Autox is a driver's game, and frankly most courses folks think favor small cars actually favor torquey cars. The more I can use the torque advantage, the better I'll do in most cases. Heartland Park Topeka, where we currently run Nationals, is not a huge site. The courses there are not as big or open as the courses we previously ran @ Forbes Field (which was also concrete vs. HPT's asphalt). I've done just fine @ HPT the last two years. In 2006 in my ESP class Camaro (way more power than the Mustang) I paxed 11th running 1st heat on Tu/W. Last year in the Mustang I paxed #1 running mid-day Th/F (better conditions), and the car that paxed 2nd was Mark Madarash in an ESP Firebird. This year I'm running the Mustang again, and we are running 1st heat Tu/W which means a course not as clean or rubbered in. We'll see how it goes....
#15
Appreciate the props--but the fact I run on Hoosier's has no bearing on this since everyone else I run against, at the level I run, also have R-comps (most of them Hoosiers, some Kumho's) so that's a bit of a moot point.......
Autox is a driver's game, and frankly most courses folks think favor small cars actually favor torquey cars. The more I can use the torque advantage, the better I'll do in most cases. Heartland Park Topeka, where we currently run Nationals, is not a huge site. The courses there are not as big or open as the courses we previously ran @ Forbes Field (which was also concrete vs. HPT's asphalt). I've done just fine @ HPT the last two years. In 2006 in my ESP class Camaro (way more power than the Mustang) I paxed 11th running 1st heat on Tu/W. Last year in the Mustang I paxed #1 running mid-day Th/F (better conditions), and the car that paxed 2nd was Mark Madarash in an ESP Firebird. This year I'm running the Mustang again, and we are running 1st heat Tu/W which means a course not as clean or rubbered in. We'll see how it goes....
Autox is a driver's game, and frankly most courses folks think favor small cars actually favor torquey cars. The more I can use the torque advantage, the better I'll do in most cases. Heartland Park Topeka, where we currently run Nationals, is not a huge site. The courses there are not as big or open as the courses we previously ran @ Forbes Field (which was also concrete vs. HPT's asphalt). I've done just fine @ HPT the last two years. In 2006 in my ESP class Camaro (way more power than the Mustang) I paxed 11th running 1st heat on Tu/W. Last year in the Mustang I paxed #1 running mid-day Th/F (better conditions), and the car that paxed 2nd was Mark Madarash in an ESP Firebird. This year I'm running the Mustang again, and we are running 1st heat Tu/W which means a course not as clean or rubbered in. We'll see how it goes....
Agreed. Everyone else at your level is running those tires. My point (not so well made) was that a ****box car with wide sticky tires will do amazing things on an AX course vs. a normally faster car with OEM street tires.
And as for PAX times, well, I would have to believe that you are a major contributor in setting those PAX multipliers with your speed? As long as you keep raising the bar, you will continue to PAX near the top; at least as long as the Shelby GT remains in the class.
Good luck this year.
Last edited by zero2sixd; 09-04-2008 at 10:50 PM.
#16
Sure, I have some bearing on the PAX index becaue it's based on results from the biggest regions in the US as well as National results. The PAX for FS in 2007 was based on data from before and certainly helped me pax as well as I did. That said, this year F-stock's index jumped more than any other class.... and we are still paxing near the top at most every event. Basically the indexes are changed every year to reflect the speed shown the previous year.
I agree that R-comp tires are amazing, but remember that I'm running those 295's on 8.5" rims (have to be stock sized rims). Shoehorning them on doesn't help the wear, 275's wear better but the 295's are faster.
I agree that R-comp tires are amazing, but remember that I'm running those 295's on 8.5" rims (have to be stock sized rims). Shoehorning them on doesn't help the wear, 275's wear better but the 295's are faster.
#17
Sam
Are you running 295s on 8.5 inch rims on both front and rear?
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