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Slaya - so you are Chim Chim. Funny, I've read your posts on CC.com for a couple years. Any chance you can walk us through what happened on turn 9 as a learning experience to us all?
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Slaya - so you are Chim Chim. Funny, I've read your posts on CC.com for a couple years. Any chance you can walk us through what happened on turn 9 as a learning experience to us all?
Best way to sum it up: driver error, driver error, and a little more driver error.
What happened? I turned in with a little too much enthusiasm. The back end started to slide, no biggie--been there before. It didn't feel like it was a problem at all initially, but more like a controllable 4-wheel slide with the rear starting to kick out. As I kept easing in the countersteering input, the slide still wasn't correcting...until it caught! That's the bitch about an off-camber turn like 9 at high speed. At that point it was hold on for the ride.
In hindsight, I could have been *much* more aggressive in the initial correction. Lesson here is how quickly it can all go to $hit. Summit was my backyard track, so I was very familiar with it and very comfortable there. Turn 9, although one that had bitten a lot of people, was never an issue for me (other turns were! 1, 3, 5, 10, ... ). This was the first session of a beautiful weekend, I wasn't pushing it *at all* compared to past days there, and in the blink of an eye it got ugly. Luckily we both walked away without injury.
Best way to sum it up: driver error, driver error, and a little more driver error.
What happened? I turned in with a little too much enthusiasm. The back end started to slide, no biggie--been there before. It didn't feel like it was a problem at all initially, but more like a controllable 4-wheel slide with the rear starting to kick out. As I kept easing in the countersteering input, the slide still wasn't correcting...until it caught! That's the bitch about an off-camber turn like 9 at high speed. At that point it was hold on for the ride.
In hindsight, I could have been *much* more aggressive in the initial correction. Lesson here is how quickly it can all go to $hit. Summit was my backyard track, so I was very familiar with it and very comfortable there. Turn 9, although one that had bitten a lot of people, was never an issue for me (other turns were! 1, 3, 5, 10, ... ). This was the first session of a beautiful weekend, I wasn't pushing it *at all* compared to past days there, and in the blink of an eye it got ugly. Luckily we both walked away without injury.
I saw your video quite a long time ago and remember wondering what happened. I went over it again and again. Like you, I've been to Summit many times and have never even thought about turn 9 (turn 1, 5 and 10 YES). Last spring I made a mistake resulting in a spin at Pocono. I took a corner for granted and it bit me. I was mentally focused on the corner ahead and didn't finish the corner I was in (kind of like a receiver running before securing the ball). For me this just reinforces the point that we always have to have our heads on straight and concentration levels very high, as soon as your guard is down...Wham, it can happen in an instant.
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Thanks for the insight into what happened at turn 9. May I ask (if you can recall) what you were doing with the throttle?
I ask because I've been looking at the video over and over but at a certain point it's just hard to decipher the information it does/doesn't provide. At Bondurant we had a great opportunity to practice slides in their skid car (they can make you go into any kind of slide they want with the pneumatic pumps, as well as transition from one kind of slide to another). If an oversteer slide isn't caused by too much throttle (that is, the kind of oversteer slide usually caused by excessive steering input) the way we would control it was to dial in only a little bit of corrective steering and ease ON the throttle. It sounds counterintuitive, but what the car needs at that point is to transfer weight back on to the rear tires. You feed the car what she needs. If the rear is loose, you need traction out back (again, assuming the loss of traction wasn't due to mashing the throttle in the first place), and the best way to get it is to ease on power. Lifting throttle at that point is the last thing the car wants, as the rears only get unloaded more. If we lift in this case and dial in corrective steering, it just may well be the added weight transfer the fronts need to catch...and catch hard. Then you go into snap oversteer in the opposite direction, and you can pretty well hang it up at that point.
I'm not sure this is what happened in your case, but it's worth considering. It really depends on what was happening with the throttle. If you turned in hard and applied throttle too early/aggressive, then obviously more throttle would not have helped the situation.
At any rate, I'm glad you and your passenger walked away ok (and your wife is still letting you out on track...amazing woman that one). I don't even mention crashes to my wife.
Also, thank you very much for posting the video of your incident. I see it as another piece of data, and most of us wouldn't have access to it unless it happened to us (which none of us wants). So again, thank you.
"We accelerate from corners, not christmas trees, and the length of our drag strip is dictated by the distance to the next braking area." -Carroll Smith
(and I'd like to especially request Norm and F1Fan's opinions).
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I think the guy whose opinion you really want is Blainefab's (over at C-C.com).
My office's network is filtering out most of the pictures, but just off the top of my head I'm seeing a gap in the level of "seriousness" between the apparent details of that cage/connections and things like 625 HP and 8000 rpm that shouldn't have happened.
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