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Old 02-17-2013, 03:42 PM   #1
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Alright, we all know that Chevy has shot back at the Boss 302 with their 1LE package for Camaro SS. Basically, the 1LE package is Camaro's version of the Mustang GT Track Pack. The only difference is the 1LE package is actually bad *** and makes the Camaro a beast at the track.

My questions follow this vid that reveal what the 1LE package does for the 2013+ Camaro SS


What suspension upgrade would I need to do to not just equal what a Camaro SS with 1LE package does, but destroy a Camaro SS-1LE at the track?

What springs and struts?
Caster and camber plates (if those would help at all)?
What Engine bay Tower strut brace?
What anti-roll bars?
What LCA & UCA upgrades?
What tires are the best: 285mm width? 315mm width?

The obvious limitation of the Coyote GT is the solid rear axle.
What upgrades can make the SRA destroy the SS-1LE on the track?
If I would have to go Watts-link, I am not below that. I know that PHBs have their limitations, even the adjustable ones.
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driver mod + sticky tires will most likely do it lol

but yea throw some konis and some springs on it 1st, plus those 2 things above and you should be able to take most of them out
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What really sucks about that comparison is no Boss. Why would Ford not send a Boss?

Sorry I cant answer you questions, I'm a 1320 guy. When I tighten up my Strange shocks and struts my car feels amazingly tight around turns. I wish we had autocross here.
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What really sucks about that comparison is no Boss. Why would Ford not send a Boss?
My take on why FoMoCo was not willing to provide a 2013 Boss or even a 2012 Boss is because they have already been spoken for.
Only a set number were ever made, and Ford already had every one earmarked for dealerships across the US.

If a boss were to have shown up in that comparo, it would have had to have been one that someone already purchased.
I wonder if the car mag publishers could have purchased one? They could have not just used it for a Chevy vs Ford comparo, but they could have used it for other magazine publication purposes: Whats in a Boss, tested it not just against Camaro, but other cars as well, so forth and so on.
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Maybe that magazine just didnt have enough clout to warrant a Boss? IDK. I do know that hardly anybody leaves their mustang stock, so let stack that $43k Camaro against one of our stangs. First of all we have way more bang for the buck stock and modded, well mustangs just really rock there.
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They likely did not provide a boss because they didn't want to see a cheaper car beat it on lap times :/
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Alright, we all know that Chevy has shot back at the Boss 302 with their 1LE package for Camaro SS. Basically, the 1LE package is Camaro's version of the Mustang GT Track Pack. The only difference is the 1LE package is actually bad *** and makes the Camaro a beast at the track.

My questions follow this vid that reveal what the 1LE package does for the 2013+ Camaro SS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtmku2Lw5es

What suspension upgrade would I need to do to not just equal what a Camaro SS with 1LE package does, but destroy a Camaro SS-1LE at the track?

What springs and struts?
Caster and camber plates (if those would help at all)?
What Engine bay Tower strut brace?
What anti-roll bars?
What LCA & UCA upgrades?
What tires are the best: 285mm width? 315mm width?

The obvious limitation of the Coyote GT is the solid rear axle.
What upgrades can make the SRA destroy the SS-1LE on the track?
If I would have to go Watts-link, I am not below that. I know that PHBs have their limitations, even the adjustable ones.
Koni Yellows, Never underestimate how much a good performance Shock/Strut will change how one of these cars behaves. Add a Watt's Link and nuff said.
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They likely did not provide a boss because they didn't want to see a cheaper car beat it on lap times :/
I unfortunately cannot deny that will happen. The ss-1LE package has thrown down phenomenal times on many road courses.

The Boss took aim at BMW M3 and outdid the M3. Camaro wasn't even a target because the SS handling sucks. Pre-1LE package that is. When the Boss spanked the M3, Chevy took aim at the Boss. So now, even a Boss would need suspension mods to equal or outdo the 1LE package.
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Koni Yellows, Never underestimate how much a good performance Shock/Strut will change how one of these cars behaves. Add a Watt's Link and nuff said.
Thanks, that defo helps. The shocks/struts and springs should address the nose dives the vid mentioned, and a Watts link should help with rear planting some.

What about body roll? What anti roll bars would address this?

Also, will the S197 chassis be rigid enough for 450-500+ Rwhp and for turns and all? I know the SN95 is more rigid than a Fox body and the S197 is more rigid than the SN95, but is it rigid enough for what a GT500 puts out power wise?
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There was a thread I started complaining about the exact same thing from the article in MT.

Ford's track pack does not address the needed problem solving for the Mustang GT nearly as well as Chevy has for the Camaro. Way better springs, shocks, sways, watts link, some simple chassis stiffening, brake duct cooling, and of course Ford's real problem, properly off set wide wheels and wider sticky tires.

All this would still bring the Mustang in at a competitive price with the 1LE package, but Ford likes to feed us to the after market and tuners, rather than complete the job with a real track pack. Erik
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Here are the suspension upgrades I made to my S197:

http://mustangforums.com/forum/s197-...g-package.html

I strongly doubt a 1LE could keep up with a Coyote Mustang with my suspension mods, assuming equal tires and equal drivers.
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Alright, we all know that Chevy has shot back at the Boss 302 with their 1LE package for Camaro SS. Basically, the 1LE package is Camaro's version of the Mustang GT Track Pack. The only difference is the 1LE package is actually bad *** and makes the Camaro a beast at the track.

What suspension upgrade would I need to do to not just equal what a Camaro SS with 1LE package does, but destroy a Camaro SS-1LE at the track?
Best short answer I know of - read the long post linked below

http://forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=44217

which works the tire & wheel mod to about the max possible without involving sheetmetal cutting or flaring. This car - overweight, airconditioned, and otherwise serving as Amy Fair's daily driver - ran times at last fall's SCCA Solo Nationals that would have been just out of the trophies in C Prepared. Runs real strong lap times out on the big tracks, too.


Basically, start by forgetting how Ford spec'ed tires and wheel for the Boss and lose any thoughts of staggering tire sizes - the 1LE runs on the latest G.2 Goodyear Supercar rubber, same 285/35-20's all around on a car with better weight distribution than any Mustang model. There is an inch wheel width stagger on the 1LE (11" rear vs 10" front), which is most likely being used to maintain a little understeer by means other than grossly throwing away front tire grip (which is what running smaller front tires ultimately does). BFG Rivals in 295/35-18 might be a good choice, once they actually become available. The slightly smaller 275/35's may or may not be quite enough. 275's on 10" wide wheels, 295's on 10.5's minimum.


The 1LE is a beast straight off the transport truck, and I have a strong suspicion that Ford already had a pretty good idea just how good it was going to be. I hear they were asked two or three separate times.


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Wow! Good thread Norm. Interesting about those rule changes. It's nice to see some of the development steps needed to create a good LW wheel and suspension package.
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Thanks Norm. I assuming that if translated properly, Ford could actually put much lighter wheels on the track pack, much better sticky tires, much better shocks, springs, sway bars, what else???

With all this wisdom, what could Ford do for the same added money as Chevy to get the 5.0 to handle as well as the Camaro 1LE ??? Specifically????? Thanks, Erik
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If the track pack is intended to be able to cope with at least occasional street duty, I'd be wary of going too light and still trying to hit a price target. The benefits are real, but perhaps not as large as people like to think.

Tires, for sure. Square setup, stickier AND bigger. You've got the 1LE as the known bogey and how it's equipped. But here we're starting with a car that weighs a little less, which might partially offset the stick axle vs IRS situation at least over good pavement.

Springs and bars are something that you'd tune differently for less pitch, less roll, and to re-balance going to a larger and square tire setup. Shocks need to suit the springs (and to a lesser extent, the bars which add wheel rate in roll that the dampers also have to control).

Forget about the current factory preferred camber. It won't be enough unless the car is either too stiff in roll or just too stiff, period. You can probably ignore the entire currently-specified range of camber.

Beyond that is dealing with bushing compliances (both front and rear), retaining or recovering suspension and axle steer geometry, possibly bumpsteering the car, perhaps adding a few braces where they'll be effective (I suspect that most of the commercially available ones are not really as effective as you might hope), doing something about the seat to keep you planted behind the steering wheel without asking it to perform double-duty as a grab handle for cornering, etc., etc.


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Allow me to be blunt, because well... it's better than sugar-coating things and giving people the wrong impression.

If you forced me to drive box stock cars, no mods, stock tires and all, I'm going to take the 1LE SS over the Mustang (even the Boss because the Boss isn't really very special in comparison to Brembo GT on the suspension side).

Allow me to mod the Mustang and things start to change. And frankly there is more to be gained modding the Mustang than the Camaro (which already has more negative camber, stickier tires and a lot more tweaks to balance). In short, the Mustang has more room to grow and the solid axle... well if you work that right it's not really a problem. FWIW the GM's rear suspension is kind of wacky in a whole 'nother way with bind and such.
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Here's the bottom line for me: if the goal is to beat the SS-1LE, and I can spend as much as the SS-1LE costs, I don't think there's any contest; even if I have to buy a new Mustang off the showroom floor. You can pick up a base model GT for $28.5k or so. I doubt there's very much wiggle room in the SS-1LE price, with all the hype surrounding it. But let's say you get them down $2k, for a price of $34.5k. That $6k difference is a hell of a lot of go-fast parts for the Mustang.

The magazines are always going to compare stock models. But how many of those do you see at track days? So Chevy built a package that outperforms one of Ford's packages. BFD. For the money, I'd much rather put together my own parts that get the car to perform how I want it to; regardless of what car I start with.

I think the SS-1LE is geared for people who read the magazine article and think they can buy the car and go beat on Mustangs. And I think it will be a great seller. I'd love to see one of those guys face off on a track against Sam or Norm or someone else on here with a bunch of seat-time.

I'd be much more worried about the guy who bought the base SS and upgraded specifically to go fast. Chances are, he might know a thing or two about DRIVING, and less about reading magazine articles.

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Here's the bottom line for me: if the goal is to beat the SS-1LE, and I can spend as much as the SS-1LE costs, I don't think there's any contest; even if I have to buy a new Mustang off the showroom floor. You can pick up a base model GT for $28.5k or so. I doubt there's very much wiggle room in the SS-1LE price, with all the hype surrounding it. But let's say you get them down $2k, for a price of $34.5k. That $6k difference is a hell of a lot of go-fast parts for the Mustang.

The magazines are always going to compare stock models. But how many of those do you see at track days? So Chevy built a package that outperforms one of Ford's packages. BFD. For the money, I'd much rather put together my own parts that get the car to perform how I want it to; regardless of what car I start with.

I think the SS-1LE is geared for people who read the magazine article and think they can buy the car and go beat on Mustangs. And I think it will be a great seller. I'd love to see one of those guys face off on a track against Sam or Norm or someone else on here with a bunch of seat-time.

I'd be much more worried about the guy who bought the base SS and upgraded specifically to go fast. Chances are, he might know a thing or two about DRIVING, and less about reading magazine articles.

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good point. i mean for 6k you could just slap on a blower and then whoop up on the camaro on most tracks through sheer horsepower alone i would think lol
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Doubt you could get any money off the MSRP. That 36.5K is a base V8 with only the 1LE package and at that price includes a limited time $500 cash back bonus offer. So in reality the best is a $8,000 difference.

My 0.02 for a mod list would be the following.

14 inch BBK with stainless lines, pads, fluid
18x9.5 lightweight wheels that clear the big brakes with sticky 285/40/18 square setup
Watts link
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From reading all the popular mags, and I do. The common complaints have been a lack of grip, soft ride, brake fade, and non supportive seats. They all say there's plenty of power and that the powerband is strong everywhere.
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good point. i mean for 6k you could just slap on a blower and then whoop up on the camaro on most tracks through sheer horsepower alone i would think lol
Well there's the rub, and the issue I personally have when someone claims a fast road course lap time in a car that doesn't have a stock engine..... because power does matter.

But the Mustang has about equal to a bit more power to start with (and a lot more in a GT500), and less weight but still isn't as quick. That's because there are two ways to make a car faster. Pure power, and handling. I like power as much as anyone, but what is the line that Pirelli uses, "Power is nothing without control". Better control is how the Camaro is quicker, in 1LE guise anyway).

The good news is you need not add $5k worth of parts to improve an S197 a metric-ton. $1500-2000 will work WONDERS.
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