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When a 2006 S281E is not extreme enough.

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Old 01-03-2009, 06:46 PM   #21
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I'd really like to see the locations of your turbos.
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Old 01-03-2009, 07:30 PM   #22
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Was the ford GT block from FRPP available when you were looking?

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...tKeyField=7799

although...you would have had to change everything else too
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Old 01-03-2009, 08:24 PM   #23
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Sweet project! Do you still have the stock UCA? (sorry if I missed it in a previous post)
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:35 AM   #24
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Still have the stock UCA. What benefits could I get with changing them? The Ford GT block was available and I was VERY interested, BUT the cost was huge. I would have to sell and buy EVERYTHING. I'm sure the power would have been huge, but I just couldn't afford that much. Remember the turbo kit I received a really good deal on. The kit was meant for a 4.6 3v not a 5.4 4 valve. The 5.0 magazine had some pics and you could also check google for the heritage twin turbo kit for pics. I will try to post some pics of everything once I finish the car.
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Old 01-04-2009, 12:52 AM   #25
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Now once the turbo kit was installed and somewhat tuned we realized we were working with a lot of back pressure. As you know turbos hate back pressure and we already knew the stock exhaust on the car was going to be a problem. Anything over 500RWHP the exhaust should be changed out. The exhaust on the E cars is VERY restictive. Since the turbo kit already came with an O/R h-pipe so we needed to upgrade the tubing from 2.5" to 3" and change the mufflers to hi flow mufflers. Since the car comes stock with magnaflow and we loved the way the car sounded we decided to give magnaflow a call for the parts. Sure enough they just released a kit for the new cobra's that would work. ONLY problem is the valves in our stock exhaust create more back pressure so we had to get rid of these but I did not want to loose the center exhaust. So we decided to keep the center tips and weld them to the new mufflers. When the car is on the lift you can not tell they are not part of the exhaust. The only way you can tell is when the car is turned on and the smoke only comes from underneath the car. This helped free up some extra horsepower and kept the sound of the car where it should be. A nice low rumble. At idle the car still sounds stock. Even after all the work done to her. When you go WOT or you smash your foot on the gas the car gets angry quick. All the tubing was 300 series stainless steel but elbows had to be made and the hangers had to be relocated. Some welding was done to get everything to work and fit properly. Of course I will work on a sound clip so you guys can listen. The car sounds sooooo good I never turn the radio on. Just like to put the windows down and listen to the exhaust.

Well here we are at the moment everyone has been waiting for. How does the car drive. Absolutely terrible. After spending all of this money and wasting all of this time I can say a blower and turbo setup does not work. Choose one or the other. Not both. I guess you can say some lessons are not learned until you try them out. I will post another review once the car is finished. Should be done by the end of January.
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:28 AM   #26
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Still have the stock UCA. What benefits could I get with changing them?
My car hopped when doing a burnout at the dragstrip until I got the BMR UCA. I started with just the lowers upgrade, but it wasn't enough.
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Old 01-04-2009, 01:28 AM   #27
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so which way are you going to go then?? turbos or the saleen blower? I am suspecting turbos if you are wanting to hit the 1000 hp mark...
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Well here we are at the moment everyone has been waiting for. How does the car drive. Absolutely terrible. After spending all of this money and wasting all of this time I can say a blower and turbo setup does not work. Choose one or the other. Not both. I guess you can say some lessons are not learned until you try them out. I will post another review once the car is finished. Should be done by the end of January.
Don't give up yet! Hellion is doing the same style setup with their Hellraiser kit.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:40 AM   #29
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Don't give up yet! Hellion is doing the same style setup with their Hellraiser kit.
I've seen this set up in person and it's pretty sick, first thing I thought about when I saw this thread.
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I've seen this set up in person and it's pretty sick, first thing I thought about when I saw this thread.
is that kit only for 98 to 04 cars?
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Old 01-04-2009, 02:18 PM   #31
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Dang! Reading a post like this makes me want to cash in the 401k and go all out.....



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Old 01-04-2009, 05:07 PM   #32
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The car doesn't hop at all so I might not need the UCA yet. The hellraiser kit is for 03/04 cobras. The heritage kit is for 05+ mustangs.
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Let me start by apologizing first. I couldn't help myself so I thought I would let the last post fester a little bit. Its for all of those nay sayers that thought this couldn't be done. I received a couple of emails telling me how much of a waste of money this idea was and how it would never work. Its hard to believe how close minded people can be sometimes. Here is my real review:
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The car is an absolute "BEAST". Again its not finished and still has some work to do. As is the blower is at 8lbs and the turbos at 5lbs. This puts the intake boost at 16 lbs. This put us at 620RWHP and 650RWTQ with pump gas and a very safe tune. At idle the car still sounds stock and I LOVE how between 1800 to 2800rpm you only hear the blower whine. From 2800/2900 RPM you can start to hear the turbos start to spool. Any shift at 3200/3300RPM and you will hear the air frm the turbos blow out. If you keep the car under 2800rpm you just hear the blower. The car pulls like a diesel with a turbo. There is just so much torque. You could easily put the car side ways in 3rd with 3/4 of WOT. You can destroy the rear tires in 4th with no problem. 1st and 2nd gear feel useless and of course traction is a problem. Again, I have only driven the car a handful of times so I'm still learning how to drive and launch the car. Just think of a turbo car with no turbo lag. You have so much power in the low RPM's, but when you hit 3800rpm it feels like NOS had just been turned on. It is the coolest thing to hear the blower and turbo's at the same time. By having the blower you do sacrifice a little bit of the top end power but you get it back in torque and low end power. You have more "average" power through the powerband. Also have to understand that Florida is pretty humid even now. A good example is how low the power numbers for the car was when run stock. Even with all the bolt-ons the car seemed to die out at 5500rpm. Seems now I have all the power I had before plus more but with more high end power. What I also love is since the blower is recompressing the air from the turbos its creating more boost, but allowing me to run the blower and turbos at lower boost individually.

I guess the next question everyone might have is if I prefer one power adder over the other. Truth is it all depends on what your building. If you want a high horsepower car than turbo's will help, but if you want a daily driven street machine with low end torque from the get go the blower is a great option and reliable. Since you have more companies building blowers the prices are normally lower as well. A good turbo setup can net you some serious power, but your always going to suffer from turbo lag and turbo kits are normally not cheap. Would I recommend this setup to anyone else, sure. BUT...if you already have a blower on the car. If the car already comes with a blower and you want to change out to turbo's than I would recommend trying both. When you go to sell your blower your not going to ge too much for it. Unless its a whipple or kenne bell but depending on the market you might not get too much back. But to fork over the money for the blower and turbo would be a tough call unless you really have the cash to burn. Thats why I think the hellraiser kit works so well. Your using the stock blower anyways so why dump it. One of the big drawbacks is weight and I would like to see some time slips since to me thats the ultimate judge, jury, and executioner. If the car can't run a better time with both power adders due to the added weight than its not worth it. Since I don't drive at the track and mainly just do a lot of street driving I love this setup.
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Old 01-04-2009, 05:29 PM   #35
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Some ideas I'm contemplating when I drop off the car for the last time are:

1) Port blower
2) Custom Turbo grind Cams
3) Larger Turbo's
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I will post another review once the ar is finished and I have put a few more miles on the car. Please let me know your feedback and if you have any questions please feel free to ask.
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Almost forgot! If you have ANY ideas before the car goes back please let me know. I would love to hear them. There are so many things going on with this project its easy to miss something. I would love to hear everyone thoughts on the 3 topics I'm considering. Thanks again for all the help.
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I'd go with #1, I think JDM has done some work with this. Seems like too many people have ran into issues when dealing with #2. #3 is a waste of time until you work on #4.

4. Traction. ie taller wider tires, relocate trailing arms, etc
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I would have to agree with Polk.

Since the blower is really a "restriction" at the top end power, you may actually be able to get some more through-put if you port it, possibly making it a little less restrictive.
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is that kit only for 98 to 04 cars?
Technically yes, it would definitely not be a direct bolt on but anything is possible. I've seen crazier...

To the OP, your would gain from #1 & 2, I wouldn't even consider the last until you've played with the set up. Doesn't make sense to go bigger when the s/c isn't going to really flow that much more.
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