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Fake or "clone" Saleens? Real Saleen Owners?

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Old 03-16-2011, 10:35 PM   #1
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Default Fake or "clone" Saleens? Real Saleen Owners?

Not planning on it myself, but I was just wondering how the owners of real Saleens view the guys who put together Saleens from stock GT's? I mean it does not make it a real Saleen, but they are putting money out to Saleen to mod their stang whether for performance, appearance or both. How do you guys feel about it?

Id think as long as they don't lie about the car what is the big deal - just another mod. But heard one guy who had a Saleen ranting about it. Just started thinking what others thought? Is it really a big deal in the Saleen world or just one guy over-reacting?
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Old 03-17-2011, 12:05 AM   #2
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Oh no.... you're going to open a can of worms here. Mention the same topic on any Shelby site, and you will get 10 replies with minutes. I can't tell you how another person is going to feel, but I can give you some key information. There seems to be a few common points that keep coming up.

1) When it comes to clones, the biggest problem is trying to pass if off as a real one. You'll make a ton of enemies that way, and possibly cause some legal trouble.

2) The guys that bought the real deal, often do it for exclusivity. Making a cheap copy only upsets those guys (whether they're overly sensitive or not).

3) I honestly believe the biggest reason clones exist is because of cost. If someone could afford a brand new Saleen or Shelby, they would just get one. However, I am aware that sometimes it's not the cost, but availability. I mean, look at how many 1965 GT350 clones exist.

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Old 03-17-2011, 12:23 AM   #3
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In my area we have a lot of saleen clone V6 mustangs. I think if I owned a saleen I would probably just laugh. As far as guys converting their GT mustangs to saleens...if they do the full conversion....wouldn't it be just as cost effective to sell their car and buy a used saleen?
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Its your car and your money so do as you please and dont mind the handful of the same guys who talk $hit. Thats what they do.
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Imitation is the best form a flattery.

Just don't claim it's real, and I'm cool with it. It goes for a lot of the 'high end' Mustangs: Saleen, Roush, SVT, Steeda etc.... As long as it's not misbadged, it's ok.
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Old 03-18-2011, 11:08 AM   #6
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I don't have a problem with it as long as it's done right. For instance, I saw a gt500 clone at a dealership the other day. It had the decals and badges, but they put the cobra emblems above the GT emblems they left on. Why!? Since most people won't know what a saleen is here in NE I would rather not have them seeing a hacked car. If it's done right then I would really like it.
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Old 03-18-2011, 04:08 PM   #7
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I don't have a problem with it,but you can probably buy a Saleen for the price of creating a clone.
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:32 AM   #8
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People are always going to clone cars (Faleen = fake Saleen). I've always thought the cost of creating a Faleen, you could go buy the real deal. I had an '03 281SC and I was the only one with a newer style Saleen in my area. Within a few months there was 2 or 3 Faleens running aorund.
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I'm perfectly fine with a full body kit from a company such as roush saleen or shelby. The issue is when the fake badges start popping up. I think most people would agree it's flattering to have an imitation "look". I drive a stage 3 roush and if i saw a mustang GT with a full body kit a stage 3 badge and the roushcharger sticker I would have no respect for that. I couldn't argue with the body kits though the saleen looks badass, along with the shelby and roush.
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Imitation is the best form a flattery.

Just don't claim it's real, and I'm cool with it. It goes for a lot of the 'high end' Mustangs: Saleen, Roush, SVT, Steeda etc.... As long as it's not misbadged, it's ok.
Totally agree.. IMO the best looking mustang ever is the Terminator (once again my opinion). I had the Mach 1 grill set up on my ride and was contemplating buying the shaker setup.. but one day I saw this termi parked in a parking lot and fell in love with the stance, and of course the front bumper. Will I ever put Cobra badges on my car.. He** no! It's not a Cobra. I do take offense to guys badging their cars to be something that it's not. Just me though..
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We welcome all Saleen Owners and Enthusiasts -- including those with "fake" or "tribute" Saleens -- as long as they don't try to pass their cars off as Saleens. We actually have several members with tribute Saleens.
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It's your car so do what you want.

I couldn't afford a real 2010 Roush 427R as the dealerships around here wanted $50K+ for them. I bought a GT premium and after 2 years have built my own version of the 427R and saved a killing. Body kit, suspension, shifter, exhaust and supercharger. I put the black chrome R logo badges on the sides (real roush have chrome ones) and the "R" logo on my FAUX gas cap.

If anyone ever ask or starts talking about the car I tell them straight up it's not a real Roush. I only put the "R" logo's on the car to show my support towards Roush as if I wanted to pose I would have put a "stage_" or "427R" badge on. Those that don't know better think it's real but that is their issue not me trying to fake them out.

As I see it the only time it's an issue is when you try to market the car as something it isn't.
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One last point that I think a lot of people forget is that a Saleen, Roush and Steeda is, whether you want to believe it or not, a stock GT that has been moddifed. If someone does a FULL conversion (everything done), their is no difference between the two cars other than some badges and resale value. A real one will be worth more but a full conversion is just as strong of a car performance wise as the real thing.
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One last point that I think a lot of people forget is that a Saleen, Roush and Steeda is, whether you want to believe it or not, a stock GT that has been moddifed. If someone does a FULL conversion (everything done), their is no difference between the two cars other than some badges and resale value. A real one will be worth more but a full conversion is just as strong of a car performance wise as the real thing.
Well said. . After all, as much as I like Mr. Roush, Mr. Saleen and Mr. Shelby, it's still the shops employees working on them. If you're qualified to do the work and can get the authentic parts, you can have your desired car for a lot less money.

Just don't try to resell the car as a real model, or use someone else's name for profit.
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I think it's fine to use badges as long as they are the correct badges for the car. If someone makes a faleen and doesn't supercharge it I don't want to see supercharged badges. I have seen a new edge here in town and it does not have a saleen body kit... but has supercharged saleen badges with V6 emblems under them. It has duel exhaust but I think it's a v6. To each his own because it's a clean car but those badges bug me!
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One last point that I think a lot of people forget is that a Saleen, Roush and Steeda is, whether you want to believe it or not, a stock GT that has been moddifed. If someone does a FULL conversion (everything done), their is no difference between the two cars other than some badges and resale value. A real one will be worth more but a full conversion is just as strong of a car performance wise as the real thing.

Serial number and quality of the actual build come to mind as major differences. I'm happy my cars came from Roush directly and not slapped together by a local mechanic.
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Serial number and quality of the actual build come to mind as major differences. I'm happy my cars came from Roush directly and not slapped together by a local mechanic.
So what you are saying is that a Roush mechanic is better than any other certified mechanic? Would you rather have your car built by a Roush Mechanic or Chip Foose, West Coast Customs, Unique Auto sport? Obviously, I’m going overboard here but you get my point that a Roush mechanic is not necessarily the best, they are just good at what they do. Really, we’re not talking rocket science with these cars, it's a simple skill set with the exception of tuning so I hate to tell you but the quality is identical if you follow the same procedures of which I bet Roush himself couldn't tell the difference (except serial badges) between a Roush built at Roush and a GT that was fully converted at a competent speed shop. Another example, look at a full out frame off restoration on a classic GT500, Camaro SS, Corvette, etc... They aren't built anymore by the factory but can be made to be exactly like one off the line. This of course assumes you are using genuine parts and not splashes.

The only difference is the serial numbers. So you have to ask, is that worth the extra coin you are going to pay for the same performance and quality (if done right)? Some say yes and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but others say no. Do I wish my car was a real Roush, yes. Am I glad I spent $15K less overall from a real Roush, yes. Do I have the resale value of a real Roush, No but then I didn't drop the coin upfront either. But to say a real Roush's quality is better, I think not....
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Yes, I'd rather have a Roush cert mechanic with a Roush warrenty build my Roush. And I wasn't talking Chip Foose (though I doubt he builds Roush or Saleen clones LOL)... I was talking about a local shop vs someone specifically trained and familiar with the parts.

And there IS a HUGE quality difference, and a dozen other difference in the real thing. You just don't see the added value, and that is your choice.

Funny, I could tell you owned a clone by your post prior to reading your sig.
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I would rather take a high end stang and make it look like a v6
Rather than making a v6 look like a high end
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I would rather take a high end stang and make it look like a v6
Rather than making a v6 look like a high end
If this was aimed at me, Roush made V6 cars. Saleen even kicked out 6 or 7 V6 cars back in the late 90's.
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