Boss 429 or Big Block 390
04-08-2004, 06:44 PM
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RE: Boss 429 or Big Block 390
Here's one more, then I'm going to make myself a sammich. 
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04-09-2004, 01:44 AM
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RE: Boss 429 or Big Block 390
ORIGINAL: Tango 1
OK Guys this is for you all I have been around enough to know when I have learned something new.
OK Guys this is for you all I have been around enough to know when I have learned something new.
ORIGINAL: Tango 1
So here I am again on this subject for one I will never be owend by any of you.
So here I am again on this subject for one I will never be owend by any of you.
04-09-2004, 03:35 AM
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RE: Boss 429 or Big Block 390
okay I will say it. You need an education. So Ford couldnt build more than one engine that could possibly be considered a big block.
Do ya want me to start with flatheads or the 4 cyl engines that were in the Model T that were the first hotrods? Ford has been designing engines and making improvements the entire time. They have more different engine families than ANY other CARMAKER! Mopar comes close. Heres a quick list from memory. Flat 4, flathead V8, inline flat 6, OHV inline 6, OHV 4 cyl, three series of them too! 3 engine families of V6's, the Windsors, 260-255-289-302-351W. THe Cleveland 4V and 2V, which is kinda a bigger small block meaning its wider has canted valves like a BBChevy and ports you can shove two golf ***** thru sideways, the FE including the 352,360,390,410,427,428. The Y block like the 56 T bird had that was a 312 ci engine, there was another displacement I cant remember right now, in the 200-299 CI, the 385 series 429-460, and the latest modular motors. So you are tryin to say that the 429 is the only true big block. So is the 302 the only small block? Why would Ford not build an engine that could hang with the Pontiacs, and Mopars back in the late 50's early 60's called the FE 406. Yes the biggest challenge to FOrd before 63 was the Pontiac and the Chryslers. Pontiac OWNED Nascar and NHRA from 61-63.
I can disect the windsors and give you all the differences between them. I bet you know someone who had an original BOSS 302 in his Fox body too. Or one with non cleveland heads. Yeah its not like you actually know anything about Ford engines, you just think you do. HOw many have ya built? How many have you raced? How many have you owned? Have you ever even seen a 390 or a 406? Ever seen a BOSS429? Not at a car show, but actually driving around or being raced? Man untill you actually learn by doing instead of just making your own assumptions about what is and what isnt whatever, you need to know WTF its all about and some history. Yeah History because that is how you will see the progression and what Ford and the other Auto makers changed over the years and thru the developement untill we got where we are today.
You seem like a cluless kid who drives a tarus or maybe an SN95. Maybe you dont have one of those, but your mentality is the same. When you can tell me what LSA is, what changes when you increase duration, or the effect of longer rods in an engine then maybe just maybe I will listen to you, becuz then you will know WTF you are talkin about. Untill then you havent a clue. You have proved it to the other guys who know what you do not. Yeah this is a personal message to ya, I am callin you out. Answer those questions and then I have more for ya. Cause ya know what?
An uneducated mans opinion is worthless.....
Do ya want me to start with flatheads or the 4 cyl engines that were in the Model T that were the first hotrods? Ford has been designing engines and making improvements the entire time. They have more different engine families than ANY other CARMAKER! Mopar comes close. Heres a quick list from memory. Flat 4, flathead V8, inline flat 6, OHV inline 6, OHV 4 cyl, three series of them too! 3 engine families of V6's, the Windsors, 260-255-289-302-351W. THe Cleveland 4V and 2V, which is kinda a bigger small block meaning its wider has canted valves like a BBChevy and ports you can shove two golf ***** thru sideways, the FE including the 352,360,390,410,427,428. The Y block like the 56 T bird had that was a 312 ci engine, there was another displacement I cant remember right now, in the 200-299 CI, the 385 series 429-460, and the latest modular motors. So you are tryin to say that the 429 is the only true big block. So is the 302 the only small block? Why would Ford not build an engine that could hang with the Pontiacs, and Mopars back in the late 50's early 60's called the FE 406. Yes the biggest challenge to FOrd before 63 was the Pontiac and the Chryslers. Pontiac OWNED Nascar and NHRA from 61-63.
I can disect the windsors and give you all the differences between them. I bet you know someone who had an original BOSS 302 in his Fox body too. Or one with non cleveland heads. Yeah its not like you actually know anything about Ford engines, you just think you do. HOw many have ya built? How many have you raced? How many have you owned? Have you ever even seen a 390 or a 406? Ever seen a BOSS429? Not at a car show, but actually driving around or being raced? Man untill you actually learn by doing instead of just making your own assumptions about what is and what isnt whatever, you need to know WTF its all about and some history. Yeah History because that is how you will see the progression and what Ford and the other Auto makers changed over the years and thru the developement untill we got where we are today.
You seem like a cluless kid who drives a tarus or maybe an SN95. Maybe you dont have one of those, but your mentality is the same. When you can tell me what LSA is, what changes when you increase duration, or the effect of longer rods in an engine then maybe just maybe I will listen to you, becuz then you will know WTF you are talkin about. Untill then you havent a clue. You have proved it to the other guys who know what you do not. Yeah this is a personal message to ya, I am callin you out. Answer those questions and then I have more for ya. Cause ya know what?
An uneducated mans opinion is worthless.....
04-09-2004, 04:31 AM
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RE: Boss 429 or Big Block 390
inline flat 6????
flat = boxer = horizontally opposed = subaru/vw/porsche?
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sorry that just made my head hurt.
And I'll be the first to admit I know more about other brand's engines, specifically Subaru and Mopar. But I have seen a 390... driven it around too. Old pickup truck, and it scooted like mad.
flat = boxer = horizontally opposed = subaru/vw/porsche?
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]sorry that just made my head hurt.
And I'll be the first to admit I know more about other brand's engines, specifically Subaru and Mopar. But I have seen a 390... driven it around too. Old pickup truck, and it scooted like mad.
04-09-2004, 06:38 PM
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RE: Boss 429 or Big Block 390
What the hell? FE is the motor series, like Windsor is the smallblock (289/302/351) family. They differentiate the 429/460 as big block because the morons would be confused if they called them the 385's.
You show a page out of an edelbrock catalog as your proof, yet when given technical manuals, forums, and countless engine builder/retailer websites you still refuse to accept the truth?
Why are they seperate? Because the blocks are entirely different. The FE's share common parts, and the 385's share common parts. The FE's are no longer in production, and have been out of production a lot longer. They're BOTH big blocks, but the parts are not interchangeable.
Chrysler also has a couple of families of big block motors, the B and the RB being two of them, then there's the 426 Hemi. Doesn't mean that the Hemi isn't a big block, even though it's not lumped in with the rest of them. It's because there is a significant difference between the majority of the components. Or take the 488 V-10, it's certainly a big block, but it's not related to any of the other big blocks due to the differences.
Why do you refuse to realize that you're wrong? You refuse, yet you offer NO supporting evidence other than your own opinion. I could say the sky is green, doesn't mean it is. You should really call the 429 and 460 what they really are, the 385's.
You show a page out of an edelbrock catalog as your proof, yet when given technical manuals, forums, and countless engine builder/retailer websites you still refuse to accept the truth?
Why are they seperate? Because the blocks are entirely different. The FE's share common parts, and the 385's share common parts. The FE's are no longer in production, and have been out of production a lot longer. They're BOTH big blocks, but the parts are not interchangeable.
Chrysler also has a couple of families of big block motors, the B and the RB being two of them, then there's the 426 Hemi. Doesn't mean that the Hemi isn't a big block, even though it's not lumped in with the rest of them. It's because there is a significant difference between the majority of the components. Or take the 488 V-10, it's certainly a big block, but it's not related to any of the other big blocks due to the differences.
Why do you refuse to realize that you're wrong? You refuse, yet you offer NO supporting evidence other than your own opinion. I could say the sky is green, doesn't mean it is. You should really call the 429 and 460 what they really are, the 385's.
04-09-2004, 07:15 PM
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RE: Boss 429 or Big Block 390
the sky is green and the grass is purple. Fords are slow, and Tango 1 is Einstiens mentor and the knowledge base for all things mechanical due to his vast amount of hands on expereince and technical prowess.
It is unfair to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person (Tango 1)
It is unfair to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person (Tango 1)