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First off My disclaimer was............."My Expireance with the GTO at the track"I never said it was law.And I'm not going to return to stock to see what my car will run.But if your claiming to run 12.9 stock I Call B.S.Second if you want to compare time slips now I have no problem.
So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons.
And you want to compare timeslips? Sure. Oh, wait...Are you only counting my daily beater GTO, or do you want to compare with my Fox?
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GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.
That makes a quick launch tougher.
Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.
Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.
F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.
Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's
400 HP GTO's only......................
I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.
"the new vettes are slow"
this a a blunt statement that i can back up with my track experience. though i've never seen one run, the only one i would have (you) chickened out and went frolicking in the vineyards instead. therefore, you were scared and the new vettes are slot IN MY TRACK EXPERIENCE.
...lmao
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05 gt:
345/335 --> 427/471 with the flick of a switch
You guys have just so far ran up against stockers, which i think is very rare.
The two guys I work with both have LS1 Camaro's (a 98 and a 00) and they are both cammed. And the 00 is the one I ran Sunday night. I can't say how much else they have done since both didn't even admit that they were not stock until I put them on the spot. And even then, they'd only admit to having "mild bolt-ons". But for sure they both have more aggressive cams(not sure HOW aggressive.....but they are not running stock cams for sure) and some kind of exhaust work. Another guy that's friends with them let me in on a tip that they both dyno'd around 375rwhp......since both have identical setups, or close to it.
I was supposed to race both Sunday, but the guy with the 98 said his car is laid up for a complete exhaust workup............but to be honest, I have a feeling he got wind of my blower and is working on a nitrous setup instead. Oh well. The guy with the 00 is the less cocky of the two and agreed to go balls out. I got him 3 for 3............2 dig races and 1 30mph roll race.
Now, this was the FIRST LS1 I have ever raced in my 05. The only other F-body I ever ran was an LT-1 TA with a turbo setup when I was stock.............the results were as expected[:@]. I'm not one to be cocky and talk s**t, I prefer to speak softly and carry a big stick. But the fact of the matter is that almost all LS1 guys I've talked to don't think of the new GT's as a challenge......modified or not. So I guess you can expect some of these 05/06 GT guys to get a little cocky when they manage to shank an LS1 on the street or the strip.
Now, we can all agree that there are alot of guys claiming kills on cars that are (all things being equal) faster than theirs. But since cars still lack the ability to drive themselves, it is ultimately a test of a driver's ability to use his car's capabilites to their fullest that determines how well he fairs in a race. A guy that my friend knows has taken his 06 GT to the track a bunch of times and hasn't run faster than 14.9 yet[&:]. Doesn't mean his car his slow (which is the point some of you are trying to make), but I wouldn't count on him being able to beat very much in the way of respectable V8 cars when he's on the road.......300hp or no. Matter of fact, I"d be willing to bet that a few "other" domestic performers have burned his butt on the road in the recent past......which goes all the more towards the stigma that the S197 GT's are dog-slow. Oh well, whatcha gonna do?
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So technically the power to money ratio is still much better with the Camaro...
I don't think they correct times at the 1320 for that......
Wait a second Stock is Stock and bolt on's are not STOCK.I'm sure your car is capable with some bolt on's 12.9.But you led me to believe you were STOCK.
Wait a second Stock is Stock and bolt on's are not STOCK.I'm sure your car is capable with some bolt on's 12.9.But you led me to believe you were STOCK.
I said nothing about bolt ons. I said mine was stock. Sorry. I took the filter out. STOCK!
heys guys. i can understand people talking negative about the GTO, but when i began to see Mustang guys (undefeated) talk about F-bodies, i say get a clue!!. A bolt on F-Body is very capable of running circles around the 05-06 GT with bolt ons. I continue to see guys comparing their minor bolt on Gts to stock GTOs. Listen.... My GTO went 12.7 at 109 with drag radios!! this was consistantly in 60 degree weather. Just yesturday, while i was on I-95, I ran into a black 05 GT. We were traveling about 60mph. He jumped on his car, so i down shifted to 3rd and put over 4 cars on him. I waited from him to come up to my door and put more cars on him. When we exited, he laughed and said, "You have 400 HP and this is stock" I told him no problem, but the guys in the Mustang forums think the GTOs are slow. He told no way. We had this converstion before, i even went to the GTO forums and those guys said they are tired of arguing with guys, who are clueless. They will not post over hear, because they want you guys to continue to think the car is slow. I cannot post my video, because i don't have the USB cable, but I do have a very nice 05-06 GT, running 13.2 at 104. at atco on film. I remeber him saying he had every bolt on possible, with gears and he had Drs. There is also a yellow Mach 1 with black staggard rims, with exhaust on my film. He and i continued to run 13.0s until the sun set and i made three consecutive 12.7s @109. Keep in mind if we put bolt ons on our cars, the race and the arguments are over, between the GT and GTO.
Here is what you said you can delete it out of your thread later to make your argument........"So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons."
Taking out an air filter is not bolt ons.Now you are trying to retract your slight bolt on statement to make your argument.I said clearly my expierance with the GTO and that it didn'y mean it was LAW.But even if I were stock that day like my friends 05 was that was with me he would have gotton walked.My buddy ran 14.1 and 13.9 STOCK 1/10 of a sec at 95 mph is 14 feet.Would have been five or six cars trapping at over a houndred mph..I consider that being walked.
Nice link BTW. Did you notice that they didn't run the car at all? "0-¼ mile : 13.5 sec @ 106.0 mph(manual est.)"
On that note. I now vow to never have a GTO conversation with an 05+ owner. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about a car that weighs about the same and has 100 more hp and 100 more tq. Good luck guys, I wish you all excellent 1/4 times.
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RE: 06 Mustang GT vs GTO
But the fact of the matter is that almost all LS1 guys I've talked to don't think of the new GT's as a challenge......modified or not. So I guess you can expect some of these 05/06 GT guys to get a little cocky when they manage to shank an LS1 on the street or the strip. 
