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Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.
I have to disagree. When you say "stock for stock with equal drivers".....you're talking about the cars' optimum performance............all about the numbers. And when you compare "optimum" performance numbers between the LS2 Goat and the S197 GT's then no, the Mustang does not walk the GTO every time........it's the other way around. Your experience with beating GTO's comes from differences in driver ability, so don't make blanket statements that exclude the driver element. Just a little tip
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So technically the power to money ratio is still much better with the Camaro...
I don't think they correct times at the 1320 for that......
Here is what you said you can delete it out of your thread later to make your argument........"So the one "kid" at the track is what you're basing your opinion off of? Here we go with the BS on the 12.9 again. There were people on this forum there that day. There are timeslips posted. Look for them. In this thread, I posted the times from the GTO board. Stock and light bolt ons."
Taking out an air filter is not bolt ons.Now you are trying to retract your slight bolt on statement to make your argument.I said clearly my expierance with the GTO and that it didn'y mean it was LAW.But even if I were stock that day like my friends 05 was that was with me he would have gotton walked.My buddy ran 14.1 and 13.9 STOCK 1/10 of a sec at 95 mph is 14 feet.Would have been five or six cars trapping at over a houndred mph..I consider that being walked.
You my friend are an idiot who clearly can't read. I didn't edit **** out of my post. If I did, it would say it at the bottom. I didn't retract anything. My statement stands as is. BTW...What times did you run Mr. Force?
GTO's have steeper rear axle ratios, and a steeper 1st gear ratio.
That makes a quick launch tougher.
Even getting a good launch it means the engine has to push longer to get into it's powerband.
Corvettes handily beat Mustang GT's, and GT500's. Because they have power, and are lighter.
F-Bodys, DO NOT beat Mustang GT's. They also have a steeper rear end ratio, and are about the same weight as the Mustang.
Oh, the 350 HP GTO's also don't beat Mustang GT's
400 HP GTO's only......................
I would'nt say thats entirely accurate.
"the new vettes are slow"
this a a blunt statement that i can back up with my track experience. though i've never seen one run, the only one i would have (you) chickened out and went frolicking in the vineyards instead. therefore, you were scared and the new vettes are slot IN MY TRACK EXPERIENCE.
...lmao
LOL . Yes, but I was a happy intoxicated chicken.
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2006 Corvette coupe/Corsa sport exhaust w/ mid-pipe
1999 Mustang GT/stock
This arguement is really crazy. The Trail blazer SS with bolt ons can run mid-high 13s, but a GTO with the same engine can't? Question of the day. Is there anyone who has a stock 05-06 GT. (Yout know what? even if you have bolt on and tires.) tha lives in the Philadelphia , or New Jersey area. We can line them up, forget the track. We can find a good spot, bring a camera and i would run them for fun Please Please Please, lets settle this argument for once and for all. Stock for Stock, put your money where your mouth is. All in fun, so don't take it personal. I just want to settle this with two good drivers and i am willing to race. Any takers?
I didn't make a blanket statement.I am basing my opinion on what I saw first hand.Thats all have to go by.And thats how my opinion was formed on the GTO I thought I made it perfectly clear that just because I witnessed it first hand that it wasn't law.Second I never accused you of removing or editing your post I said you can edit later to strengthen your argument.You always know when someone is reaching when they start reverting to name calling.As a Mod I'd be real careful on how you go about engaging in such arguments.You never know who the site sponsors are.
My Track expireiance with the GTO.Milan Drag Milan MI.3 weeks ago.I pulled up to the tech station to have my 06 GT inspected at the same time the owner of a new GTO was having his inspected.We started some small talk with him and his father in law.He said he has owned the GTO for about 6 mos.and always wanted to take it to the track and see what it could do.He was Bone Stock.This was also my first time at the track in my Mustang.I had just had installed the sct 2 Flash tune and C&L CAI.He asked me what I thought it would run(you have to wear a helmet anything below 13.99)I said mid 13's because of the heat 87 100% humidity.He told me he was hping to run low 13's as well.His car was an AUTO no paddle shift etc.6.1 or 6.0 ltre?Since we showed up to the track at the same time we were ALMOST lined up together during the test and tune.But he was one run in front of me.Results after the first pass....I caught up with him after the first run while the Super stocks were running and everyone had there hoods up to cool and compared time slips.He ran a 14.6 A bad reaction time but anyone who has ever been to the track knows that doesn't matter in test and tune it still tells you what you ran in the 1/4.He had an AUTO not a whole lot of room for driver error.His next runs were 14.5 14.7 all pretty consistant.Just from my personal expirance with the GTO they are way to heavy alot of HP.But HP sells cars and torque wins races.Stock for Stock and equal drivers the Mustang will walk a GTO every time.
This thread is going fast so I'll post again....What were your times at the track that night?
Equal drivers 05 GTO vs 05 Mustang = 05 Mustang owner will be squinting hard to read the license plate on the back of the 05 GTO.
Now, these fights can go on for days. Majority of your 05 Mustang GT owners will run......low 14's. I've never seen a new 05 Mustang GT break a 13.9 stock - point being there is crappy drivers everywhere and you don't see me saying 05 Mustang GT's can't run mid 13's stock! Infact the only 05+ Mustang GT I recall seeing running sub 13.5's had 4.10's & drag radials.
I've witnessed a couple 04 GTO's running 13.6-14.0 last fall with nothing more than a driver mod. They all claimed to be stock down to the air filter.
As for 05 GTO's, I have yet to see any at the track, but if I've witnessed 04 GTO's that were stock running mid 13's with nothing more than a good driver, um...yeah. Stock for stock with equal drivers it only makes sense that the 05 GTO is going to absolutely tear a 05+ Mustang GT a new cornhole and then rub a little dirt on the wound.
Then again, I've watched C5 Z06's running high 13's. I've watched 03/04 Cobra's running high 13's. I've watched LS1 F-body's run HIGH 14's before!!!!
My point being, you can run into a bad driver at ANY time, regardless of what the car has for a transmission & absolutely rip a car with 100more hp a new butthole!
I didn't make a blanket statement.I am basing my opinion on what I saw first hand.Thats all have to go by.And thats how my opinion was formed on the GTO I thought I made it perfectly clear that just because I witnessed it first hand that it wasn't law.Second I never accused you of removing or editing your post I said you can edit later to strengthen your argument.You always know when someone is reaching when they start reverting to name calling.As a Mod I'd be real careful on how you go about engaging in such arguments.You never know who the site sponsors are.
Well actually, I think I made a pretty good point. I said a ran a certain time, and you said "I'm calling B.S." I then further posted proof of other doing the same. As did another 2 GTO owners in this thread. You were the one going off about a car that you clearly and admittedly have absolutely NO knowledge about.
I've been building and racing cars for a long time. I'm not some kid who borrowed his dads GTO and took it to the track. I've owned plenty of Mustangs, a few F-Bodies, and a Corvette thrown in there. A few of them were pretty damn fast, and currently have another Mustang thats under the knife. This will be my fastest one to date. Let's not guess about what I said. I know what I said and didn't retract anything. If you think I'm reaching and calling names, so be it. I'm sorry you feel that way. I will however agree to shake your hand and walk away from this ridiculously stupid and sophomoric argument.
My times on that night with CAI and Flash. Were mid 13's I'll try to find the time slips and post.Since I've added pulleys gears etc.Thev'e come down to low 13's in hot weather.Cars never been to the track in under 80 degree weather.
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