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Old 08-13-2008, 09:30 PM   #41
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The thing that gets me about this is that if he was going to cheat and hide a kit, why not do it right and REALLY hide it. I mean it's a race car with tons of lines and tubing running everywhere, hell I have hidden kits better on street cars.
This is what baffles me as well but I as PL Stang commented - I guess it was hidden better than what it appeared - but not just submitting to finish the tear down???? - stupid - He faced lesser consequences to comply and be caught than to refuse and leave it for specualation (which will be worse IMO)

I believe had he allowed the teardown, he would have received a fine and suspension for the year and had his points removed. However, who knows all the inner rules of the NMRA - perhaps there could have been consequences we don't know about if proven guilty like reimbursement of winnings or something. Who knows, there may be more to it than we know and perhaps he made the 'right' move by refusing?
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Old 08-13-2008, 09:57 PM   #42
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Modaddict you are correct on the fines.

But now he has a $200,000.00 rig and car setup to run NMRA SSO that is well.....useless.

Not sure how that math works out but I'm thinking the fines wouldn't be that much!!

He's the only one that knows why he made the decision he did and he's not really talking about it.
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Well as you pointed out - we'll never know and I highly doubt he'll be talking...ever.

Remember he can sell the set-up and get something back. It is very possible he could be relying on the fact it wasn't 'proven' and thinking he could somehow offset it down the road with some sort of reasoning in perhaps some other sanction.

Who knows? But I'll tell you one thing - he made the decision on the spot and obviously didn't think it through. It makes me really wonder if he had a couple hours to think about the request and consult with his crew/sponsors - if a different decision would have been made. I think so but it doesn't matter now.

The only thing for sure is he is not looking good right now and he's in for a bumpy road...
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I don't think any bodies gonna touch that car pressently. I wouldn't want it...you know anywhere you go with it your gonna get torn down. Its also no longer a proven car, this cloud of suspicion makes what he's accomplished with it suspect.

I also know he was given several chances to change his mind. The tear down lasted over 3 hours (est I can't remember exactly) and they found the supposed solenoid about 15 minutes into it. The report says that tech and others tried to convince him to continue the tear down but he wouldn't budge. However, NMRA rules say that only he, the crew chief and one mechanic can be present so perhaps if the sponsors were there to consult...who knows.

I don't think he could run competetively with his setup in FFW. People like Kenjo Kelly would be impossible to beat without some major modifications and the purse just isn't there. Not to mention with out a major venue I can't see him keeping his sponsors.

Yeah, I agree things aren't looking that good.
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Wow - that puts things into perspective...

Uh, yeah - I'd say he's done.
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I don't think any bodies gonna touch that car pressently. I wouldn't want it...you know anywhere you go with it your gonna get torn down. Its also no longer a proven car, this cloud of suspicion makes what he's accomplished with it suspect.

I also know he was given several chances to change his mind. The tear down lasted over 3 hours (est I can't remember exactly) and they found the supposed solenoid about 15 minutes into it. The report says that tech and others tried to convince him to continue the tear down but he wouldn't budge. However, NMRA rules say that only he, the crew chief and one mechanic can be present so perhaps if the sponsors were there to consult...who knows.

I don't think he could run competetively with his setup in FFW. People like Kenjo Kelly would be impossible to beat without some major modifications and the purse just isn't there. Not to mention with out a major venue I can't see him keeping his sponsors.

Yeah, I agree things aren't looking that good.


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IMO, in either case he would be screwed. If he agreed to the rest of the tear down and the nitrous was found to be hooked up he is fined, and DQ'ed and his reputation is irrepairedly damaged. On the other hand, if he says no to the tear down, it leaves room for speculation (both good and bad) and saves him some money in fines. Either way he won't really be welcomed back with open arms into the series by the other racers. I recall a number of years ago a racer was torn down in NMRA, his car was found not to be within rules and he pretty much did the same thing, that is, he left the NMRA, never paid the fines and never came back.
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where does he race now, racer's dont just go away.i wouldn't stop just b/c i cheated lol
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IMO, in either case he would be screwed. If he agreed to the rest of the tear down and the nitrous was found to be hooked up he is fined, and DQ'ed and his reputation is irrepairedly damaged. On the other hand, if he says no to the tear down, it leaves room for speculation (both good and bad) and saves him some money in fines. Either way he won't really be welcomed back with open arms into the series by the other racers. I recall a number of years ago a racer was torn down in NMRA, his car was found not to be within rules and he pretty much did the same thing, that is, he left the NMRA, never paid the fines and never came back.
Your right JD, you also know how racers can be. If he was determined to be cheating he would have had fines and a 3 race suspension. However, you know when he came back he'd be getting tore down constantly and everytime he pulled to the tree his competitor would try to burn him down (remember he's running a turbo car). That's probably the minimum he would get from competitors.

Agian this is all just speculation and as you can tell these are just my personnal opnions at this point (just wanted to clarify that )
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where does he race now, racer's dont just go away.i wouldn't stop just b/c i cheated lol
Well given his car is set up for NMRA SSO his options are a little limited. You also need to remember that he will be carrying the stigma of being a cheater, even when it hasn't been proven, in our world perceptions can become reality very quicly. That will be a hard thing to live down no matter what circuit he goes to.

Also think about this. I know he ran a lot of local events. If he beat you for the purse at the last race and you just saw the report at the begining of this thread would you be to happy to see him show up at a local event?

I was at a local event not to long ago (won't mention the name or track) and it looked like the "Deliverance" of drag racing. I got a feeling those guys would handle a Cheater in their own way.....and I don't think sanctions and fines come into play, if you know what I mean. If it were me I wouldn't be taking my car out anytime soon.

But again that's just my personnal opinion.....my .02 for what it's worth.

I'm not Jarrett and I'm not going to pretend I know what was going on and why he made the decisions he did. Those are just the things that would be going through my head if I were in his situation.
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