DSM Vehicles

[coop7]

Originally Posted by Morbid Intentions they were all part of the group that I challenged... it's a long story really ummm... me and my mustang friends from muskegon all went to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch the wings game and there was a giant JDM brigade taking up a big section of the parking lot so I took it upon myself to see who it was and followed them out and politely asked if any of them wanted to race.... so I quickly find out the fastest of them was the talon (all the cars were civics, tegys and the like) and the owner was pretty rude to me as was most of the JDM guys... but I said that I wasn't trying to talk **** and that I just wanted an honset run we started talking about mods and he wanted to make sure I was all motor and then we headed out... the JDM guys blocked out behind us and in front of us for the race (they thought they were far enough ahead where they could floor it and just keep ahead) but we came up on them pretty fast and they hugged the shoulder to get out of the way that's how I found out the talons mods and after we raced and he broke some of the civics that were behind us gave me and my camera man a thumbs up we all know each other now and now all the domestic and imports in the area just kind of hang out and talk shop thanks to this race lol ::sigh:: that's the story lol lol Gotcha... Good to go... Just wonderin... Wasn't gonna criticize till I had the whole story... :-) Good kills... -Coop

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[DeltaElite121]

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

I could put 2k into a dsm and make it faster than a 2k modded fbody, but only once
the fbody will have more than 1 pass in it.

2k in mods will get an fbody damn close to 10s. stall, cam, heads, tune (if ur froogle enough).

2k into a fox will get you pretty damn fast too since their parts are so cheap. the fast dsm's we have around here have a good bit of money in them, and they barely run unless its WOT.

me = not impressed

2K for our cars goes a LONG way, haha. I compared the cost between my fox versus my camaro, and the results are interesting with just how cheap you can get GM stuff for, and good stuff at that. LS1's are more expensive obviously, but the gains are far greater for the money spent + the stock heads are fantastic. I'm going to pick up an LS7 on Tuesday of this week, and I'll be dropping it in the Formula to see how well it runs. Got a great deal on that LS7 also, but I figured you'de be interested to hear how the swap goes when I get around to it.

Is your LS1 a stock 346 or have you worked it yet? I've always been meaning to ask you that but hadn't gotten around to it. I just picked up my Formula about a week ago, and I'm liking how simple many of the components are on these LS1's as opposed to my old school blocks and all that. Haha.

- on a side note, I keep trying to get this DSM loser (not ALL are losers, let me clarify this, but alot of them around my area are) around my area to race me, and he'll sit there and talk smack about how good his turbo is but whenever I try to get him to race he backs down saying 'the turbo isn't tuned right' even though he tells all his ricer friends the opposite with that turbo timer sitting on his dash like an ornament. I'll take another stab at it this week and see if he can take on my stock Formula, and we'll see if he bites.

[SpecterGT260]

I have full boltons, a TSP TqV.2 cam, and a 125 shot of nitrous. currently getting a spec3+ clutch in and a new rear

[DeltaElite121]

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

I have full boltons, a TSP TqV.2 cam, and a 125 shot of nitrous. currently getting a spec3+ clutch in and a new rear

Sounds like you're pulling pretty good. Not that you really care, but what kind of MPG are you getting with those mods? Some guys have been reporting an increase of 1-2 depending on what they modified. What's your best time thus far on all motor?

[SpecterGT260]

I havent had much of a chance. the tune was crap because of a foul wideband so I was unknowingly running 10:1 afr at all throttle positions (maybe even worse.... the wideband doesnt read much lower than that). then the clutch blew out this fall and its been sitting at the shop waiting for strange to get off their asses and send out a damn driveshaft for over a month. I believe late september is when I sent it out there......

mpg was like 12, but im hoping a new tune will help that drastically. Its looking like I wont have times until the spring

[OneFastEclipse]

DSM's are a nice car to build when in the hands of a knowledgeable person. They get their bad rap from kids who buy them for next to nothing and beat this **** out of them without proper care and maintenance. They are just like any other car out there, they need some TLC when you push them to their limits.

My 99 GSX with 106k miles ran the time in my sig on a 100% stock long block. I put about 3k into it to reach that time. Only major problem I ran into with it was a blown tranny after about a year of beating the hell out of the car. That is pretty common when you start making serious power but there are good aftermarket options out there for a affordable price. Once I put the aftermarket tranny in, it ran strong until I sold it about 6 months later.

Crankwalk is a bit over rated imo. Far from 80% of the cars get it. More like 5-10%. Myself and many of my friends were big into the DSM scene and I have yet to personally see a crankwalk in any of them. Probably happens as much as a block splitting in half on a 5.0.

As far as telling what you are dealing with on the street, if they debadged the car, the sound usually will give it away. The turbo models have a dual tipped muffler and a intercooler on the passenger side corner of the front bumper. If there is a insert in that bumper, it is most likely not a turbo. As for telling if it is AWD, just look at the rear axle of the car, only real way to tell. I been around these cars so much I can tell what is in the car just by listening to the tone of the exhaust. There's no hiding mods from me. =P

[2000AZ5.0GT]

Originally Posted by OneFastEclipse

DSM's are a nice car to build when in the hands of a knowledgeable person. They get their bad rap from kids who buy them for next to nothing and beat this **** out of them without proper care and maintenance. They are just like any other car out there, they need some TLC when you push them to their limits.

My 99 GSX with 106k miles ran the time in my sig on a 100% stock long block. I put about 3k into it to reach that time. Only major problem I ran into with it was a blown tranny after about a year of beating the hell out of the car. That is pretty common when you start making serious power but there are good aftermarket options out there for a affordable price. Once I put the aftermarket tranny in, it ran strong until I sold it about 6 months later.

Crankwalk is a bit over rated imo. Far from 80% of the cars get it. More like 5-10%. Myself and many of my friends were big into the DSM scene and I have yet to personally see a crankwalk in any of them. Probably happens as much as a block splitting in half on a 5.0.

As far as telling what you are dealing with on the street, if they debadged the car, the sound usually will give it away. The turbo models have a dual tipped muffler and a intercooler on the passenger side corner of the front bumper. If there is a insert in that bumper, it is most likely not a turbo. As for telling if it is AWD, just look at the rear axle of the car, only real way to tell. I been around these cars so much I can tell what is in the car just by listening to the tone of the exhaust. There's no hiding mods from me. =P

alright, so let me check and see if my understanding is correct here. I'm guessing they have a MAF or something with a lot of potential, and are tuned to have a rich fuel curve from the factory. So when they up the output by modifiying the signals sent to the stock wastegate, it keeps the same fuel trims and stays rich?

I'm guessing than the ones I've seen that shed a little puff of black smoke are just running more boost on the stock turbo?

I would imagine upping the turbo size, you would have to do alot more tuning, and therefore you wouldn't have the little rich spike when the car see's boost.

[OneFastEclipse]

As long as you stick with the stock size injectors in the DSM, the computer can take care of the tuning. Obviously, as soon as you upgrade your turbo and want to make big power your going to need more fuel. The problem with alot of these kids cars is they use crappy piggy back systems to change the fuel curve of the computer. Rather then changing the actual information in the computer so it has the proper tune, they just simply lie to the computer with a piggy back. This isn't the best way of tuning a car by any means. Going with a full standalone is a much better option. Since I have been out of the scene, they have come out with alot of other options for tuning as well. Not sure how well they work though.

[2000AZ5.0GT]

Originally Posted by OneFastEclipse

As long as you stick with the stock size injectors in the DSM, the computer can take care of the tuning. Obviously, as soon as you upgrade your turbo and want to make big power your going to need more fuel. The problem with alot of these kids cars is they use crappy piggy back systems to change the fuel curve of the computer. Rather then changing the actual information in the computer so it has the proper tune, they just simply lie to the computer with a piggy back. This isn't the best way of tuning a car by any means. Going with a full standalone is a much better option. Since I have been out of the scene, they have come out with alot of other options for tuning as well. Not sure how well they work though.

Definitely, I've been tuning my car using a modified FAST Xfi system for half a year now, and even with the wideband it gets tricky. but it's also expensive, and when I skimmed the DSM website, they just had stuff on tuning, nothing on going with a standalone unit.

but you've essentially answered my question by telling me they go with piggy back units, which would explain why I could see a puff of black smoke. As far as I've seen, thats usually at an AFR of 10.5-11.0:1, which is really rich. I guess it's better that they have a rich spike than a lean spike.

[buster]

I'll assume DSM is a Talon style car...... it's not a matter of if you will pooch the clutch in one of these, but when.

They are definitely the Forest Gumps of racing. Ya just never know what you're gonna get. 16 sec dog or a 8 sec burner.