2006 Mustang GT V.S. 1995 Vette. A race and some questions. - Page 2

98LS1 · 05-31-2009, 05:24 PM

If he hooks, he beats you either way. His car is just more powerful and lighter. Weird saying that about a car that came on the scene in '91 I believe.

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k0261886 · 05-31-2009, 05:57 PM

From a dig it would have been even worse. IMO, you should have beat him from a 40mph roll. LT1 engines are awesome from a dig if you can launch them, I have beat a few Ls1 cars to 50mph. After that they kinda run out of steam though, there isn't much of a point spinning an LT1 past 5k rpm, they just don't make much power up top. The

Stone629 · 05-31-2009, 06:38 PM

I don't think he should've lost either way, dig or roll. JMO, but the results posted are results I would've expected from a automatic LS1 C5, not an LT1 Vette.

iluvmycar · 05-31-2009, 08:51 PM

So, either this guy probably was not stock, or he got the slight early jump more or likely?

*edit* wow... some mixed opinions here with it being stock.
Some saying I would have lost either way, some saying I should have won.

Stone629 · 05-31-2009, 08:58 PM

I think he had a little something. Could've been simply an intake and or tune. I'm not trying to say that they're slow or anything because they're not by any means, but IMO an S197 should be able to handle one 90% of the time. Fwiw, he may have been totally stock and just have a really good running LT1, and got a slight jump. Getting the jump can add a car real quick when roll racing.

98LS1 · 05-31-2009, 09:09 PM

LT1 cars make more power and weigh less with a better power curve.....this is why I have a hard time believing all these kill stories on LS1 cars from "stock" S197's.

Stone629 · 05-31-2009, 09:16 PM

I thought most LT1s made 275 BHP and 320 TQ? S197s make 300/320 (allegedly underrated from 320 bhp). The LT1 has a nice low end torque curve, but all that falls off up top. LS1s are in a completely different league than the LT1 imo. As far as S197s abusing LS1s, it happens, but it probably shouldn't half the time, not with a stock S197 anyway.

67mustang302 · 05-31-2009, 09:48 PM

I think the Vette could have gone either way. If it was stock, or close to stock then there's enough wiggle room for both cars for it to come down to driving, getting the jump etc. The Camaro would have beat you either way on the top side. The S197's have good tranny gearing in 1st and 2nd, which makes up for the power deficit, but after that it's an LS1's game.

Street racing is always REALLY hard to judge outcome, you have no time slip. Someone can beat you by 5-10 cars, but if they jumped big may still be slower. I could take my car, go run a 13.5 and beat a Top Fuel car by 20 buslengths if he sits at the tree for 15 forevers. I'd still run 13.5 and he'd still run 4.5. I'm exaggerating, but I think you get my point. As far as I'm concerned on the street, anything that's within a few cars either way really needs to be on the strip to know for sure.

S8ER01Z · 05-31-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone629

I thought most LT1s made 275 BHP and 320 TQ? S197s make 300/320 (allegedly underrated from 320 bhp). The LT1 has a nice low end torque curve, but all that falls off up top. LS1s are in a completely different league than the LT1 imo. As far as S197s abusing LS1s, it happens, but it probably shouldn't half the time, not with a stock S197 anyway.

You have been duped by GMs marketing team... the LT1 made 275/285hp in the F-Body.

When put in the Corvette the LT1 magically makes 300hp / 340 trq (rated).
http://vette.automotive.com/59164/ve...dup/index.html

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Accustomed as we are to 600-, 800-, and even 1,000hp C5s and C6s, we were primed for disappointment when Anti-Venom proprietor Greg Lovell strapped our virgin '96 to the shop's Dynojet chassis dyno for its first pull. We were pleasantly surprised, then, when the car registered a respectable 263.3 horses and 291.5 lb-ft of torque at the rear wheels

The numbers 98ls1 posted are about spot on ...250~255rwhp for an auto and 255~260rwhp manual (with some freak reports above that)... not exactly a weak setup. They really pale off the line compared to an S197 car though so giving up the dig was a bad bad thing. I think you would have taken the LT1 from a dig... but giving up your advantage was a big mistake IMHO.

The ls1 car is interesting but I would have to chalk it up to driver error... my LS1 car is 1 full second quicker and 10mph faster than either of my previous 2 LT1 cars.

302army187 · 06-01-2009, 06:05 AM

you need more "go" mod's.

also what your GF said was pretty ****ed up if she was just saying it to mess with you. Maybe she liked the other cars more.....