Just how much is your power adder helping you?

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Mishri wow.. 373rwhp... i said for a blow 3v it is the worlds biggest turd.. looks like I was right.. even the lowly vortech pushes out 400rwhp on an otherwise stock car. don't bring up your broken car losing to your cobra if you dont want me to talk about how slow it is. The car made 439 RWHP when it didn't have bad plugs, a bad torque converter, a bad MAF, and wasn't running 14 A/F. 373 RWHP with a locked TORQUE CONVERTER! The car wouldn't go past 5000 RPM on the dyno. Gee, for a car in that shape, 373 RWHP is pretty good I'd say. If you don't think my Pullied Cobra can beat a Blown 3V making similar power, you really are a ****ing idiot, and need to stick to OT and Computers.

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[Morbid Intentions]

Originally Posted by Mishri

there is someone on these forums with an auto, same mods as me but with LT headers and a driveshaft that did a 12.2 will I be able to pull that time with his mods on my car? i doubt it.. i'd be happy with a 12.4 though.

then that someone isn't telling you all they have done to the car, and you aren't a mid 12 second car either


on a VERY GOOD day, running on negative D/A, with a flawless launch, and a tailwind.... I'll give you high 12's as a best..... with your mods? you have a low 13 second car

most would take that and be happy considering it's a stock auto with just gears, bolt on's and DR's

[Mishri]

yeah I think I can show you several that would beat your 1/4 mile time that are making similiar power. .whats the point? you gonna cry because your termi isn't faster than many stock block 3v's? get a turbo already.....

you know morbid i ran a 13.5@102 in 4270DA.. and i've said before as my car sits now its a high 12 sec car.. so i dont see what the problem is? other than i dont have the slip in my hand to prove it. Just using the NHRA Elevation correction only, for a car in my class, n/a, not the DA correction, just standard correction they use at my track to determine class.. its a 12.9@108

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Mishri

yeah I think I can show you several that would beat your 1/4 mile time that are making similiar power. .whats the point? you gonna cry because your termi isn't faster than many stock block 3v's? get a turbo already.....

Nah, I don't care about having the fastest car.

I just love it when I can say I don't have a $6000 aftermarket blower, and still CAN run just as good, on or off the street.

Also, if you think my 12.44@ 117 was my best run, you have yet to convince me otherwise that you are a ****ing idiot.

1. I didn't power-shift.
2. 3300 DA
3. 90 degrees and 80% Humidity.
4. I bogged both runs, and didn't launch hard.

Get the idea? Go ahead and compare the best times of a Blown 3V, and I will compare the best times of a Pullied Cobra on the Eaton Blower.

[Morbid Intentions]

Originally Posted by Mishri

yeah I think I can show you several that would beat your 1/4 mile time that are making similiar power. .whats the point? you gonna cry because your termi isn't faster than many stock block 3v's? get a turbo already.....

you know morbid i ran a 13.5@102 in 4270DA.. and i've said before as my car sits now its a high 12 sec car.. so i dont see what the problem is?

corrected for DA you have a BEST of a 12 second car... the problem with DA correction is it's done on paper.... you don't have an engine running at a certain temperature with given wind resistance and available traction

for instance... if I ran in the dead of summer @ 98 degrees with 85% humidity guess what?

DA's gonna blow, but the heat is warming my tires and causing excellent traction... try getting the same traction @ 98 degrees in the fall @ 45 degrees

the stupid DA calculators are there to give you an IDEA under IDEAL conditions... sadly enough actually racing your car requires you to fight non-ideal conditions

@ 4500 DA... I still say you have a low 13 second car given the circumstances... why? because 13.5 @ 102MPH is your BEST and DA calculations always read generous

how many high 13's you got stuffed under that belt?

[Mishri]

i have a several slips at 13.5 and a bunch at 13.6.. and that was on stock street tires.. now I have m&Hs only went 1x with them and the conditions were worse.. i think 6000' i was getting low 14s and i dont think i was putting out enough power to really use them.. i was getting adjusted 13.0s. my car runs very consitently, within .1 every time... except when i was playing with the M&Hs trying to get a better time.. only got 3 passes on them.. tried reving high, low, doing a bigger burnout and revving higher before launching.. did everything but leave off idle which is how i actually got my best times on stock tires.. should have tried it. and no more track till next april.. by then i'll have LT headers and a driveshaft.. we'll see what i can pull.. maybe ill have to find a sea level track and pay it a visit too Most of my slips adjust down to 12.8 1 goes down to 12.7 and some go up to 12.9.. then the 3 passes with the M&Hs were like 13.0ish.

[Riptide]

Originally Posted by Grabber

Running high 11's which is only a couple of tenths faster than 12's is good. I am just saying, a LOT of them run low-mid 12's.

You said you don't see a bolt on GT running low 12s. Maybe I took that wrong but when I read that I take it to mean you don't think it can be done. I simply showed otherwise as far as that goes. Regarding the blown 3v GTs running mid to low 12s I certainly can't argue with that. I see people who get those results on here all the time. If it were me I would be damn disappointed. Especially if those cars are at sea level. It takes excellent driving to do well no matter what car you're in and this one is no exception. Kolb02 ran a high 11 up here in easily 4000' elevation. This was with a stock motor and 10 pounds of boost. And it was an automatic. But to put things in context Kolb02 is not a newb.

Originally Posted by Morbid

okay, let's see both of you make a low 12 second pass as your cars sit now

Neither one of us said that we could or that our cars would - as they sit now. We have altitude to contend with that the linked driver doesn't. We're both relatively new at tracking these cars. And my car has less, and different, mods than the linked one does. The point was that yes, a bolt on s197 can do a low 12.

As a bit of an aside. I personally think my car is somewhat of a POS. It dynos lower than it should (thanks Ford). It's a manual which may not have been the best choice for someone like me who is probably not a natural driver. I have that much stacked against me right off the bat. So I keep my goals low. FWIW, if I put a vortech v3 on this car and manage to squeeze out 400-425whp I would be satisfied with a 12.5. As it sits now the car does 265whp and a 13.9 on summer tires.

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Riptide

You said you don't see a bolt on GT running low 12s. Maybe I took that wrong but when I read that I take it to mean you don't think it can be done. I simply showed otherwise as far as that goes. Regarding the blown 3v GTs running mid to low 12s I certainly can't argue with that. I see people who get those results on here all the time. If it were me I would be damn disappointed. Especially if those cars are at sea level. It takes excellent driving to do well no matter what car you're in and this one is no exception. Kolb02 ran a high 11 up here in easily 4000' elevation. This was with a stock motor and 10 pounds of boost. And it was an automatic. But to put things in context Kolb02 is not a newb.
Neither one of us said that we could or that our cars would - as they sit now. We have altitude to contend with that the linked driver doesn't. We're both relatively new at tracking these cars. And my car has less, and different, mods than the linked one does. The point was that yes, a bolt on s197 can do a low 12.

As a bit of an aside. I personally think my car is somewhat of a POS. It dynos lower than it should (thanks Ford). It's a manual which may not have been the best choice for someone like me who is probably not a natural driver. I have that much stacked against me right off the bat. So I keep my goals low. FWIW, if I put a vortech v3 on this car and manage to squeeze out 400-425whp I would be satisfied with a 12.5. As it sits now the car does 265whp and a 13.9 on summer tires.

I agree.

I am just pointing out, that a lot of Blown 3V's run mid-low 12's on average, due to traction issues, or driver mod. I have never personally seen an S197 with only bolt-ons, no nitrous, or engine work, run bottom 12's, without a completely gutted car.

Also, your car is not a turd. Just because the car doesn't perform well, or dyno high, doesn't mean it's a turd. It means there is something not vibing right with a tune, or another part of the car.

When my GT has so many things going against it, it still managed to get close to 400 RWHP only revving to 5000 RPM.

Same with your car, it might dyno less, and not run great at a track, but it's not a turd.

Also, I don't care how fast my Cobra is. I bought it because it is hands down a better bang for buck. When most GT spend more than I do, I like the feel of that. When they put 6 grand into the car for a blower, and make what I make with 1500 in mods, I like that.

If I wanted a Turbo, I can put on a Hellion Single 67 or 72 MM turbo, run it to 20 PSI, make over 700 RWHP SAFELY, without building the motor, etc. That is why a GT should never be compared to a Cobra or a GT500.

My point here, I honestly don't care how fast some blown 3V's run in comparison to a 4v 03/04 Cobra. I can find timeslips of guys making under 600 RWHP, Eaton S/C, running 9's and trapping 140. I doubt a GTwill run 9's without extreme weight reduction, and a built motor running a good amount of boost.

No need to go ahead and try to prove me wrong. I don't care.

Stop guessing or assuming what your car can run. Unless your DA Calculators can make up for said wind resistance, traction, and guarantee the weather will be dead on, I don't see a 285 RWHP GT running 12.7 or 12.8 without a DA correction. Unless you mod it more, by adding a Stall, and LT's or something.

[Riptide]

It feels like a turd to me. Mishri's car pulls a 4 tenth advantage over it with the same 60'. And his car meets expectations on the dyno. We're both using the same canned tune.. The tuner (brenspeed) told me my car is probably just a "low producer". There is variation in these cars from the factory. They have seen them as low as 240whp. But w/e. I guess I'm done crying about it now since the only way to try and get more power is to keep on modding. I don't want the hassle of selling and starting over.

FWIW I got beat by a LS1 stock auto vette in my last race. By a tenth. Forgetting the dyno for a minute, and whatever Mishri's car ran on some other day, I think my car ended up right where it should be.

[thunderhorse]

Originally Posted by ZeroIngold

So the only real advantage for FI is when above sea level what about below sea level?

This could be true if you live in metropolitan New Orleans, otherwise you're underwater.