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12-13-2014, 02:54 AM
#31
I think it was Hotrod Magazine that actually did an article on the new Camaros and it was literally about what will break when driving the car hard. It is a very long list.
Just the rear end issues. And notice these are near stock power levels. How about that reliability?
Rear suspension flex (450 hp): IPS reports toe-arm failures as low as 25 to 50 hp over stock. Pfadt has stiffeners; BMR offers adjustable units. Excessive wheelhop can damage the rear trailing arms, contributing to differential problems (Pfadt and LPE have upgrades). Hotchkis sells a Chassis Max Brace to control unwanted suspension movement.
Rear subframe flex (475 hp): The stock subframe bushings allow excess cradle movement, causing lost power and bad traction. Replace with solid or polyurethane bushings for better rear-cradle durability and improved handling. Pfadt is one source.
Gears fail (500-plus horsepower): Only a three-series Posi carrier is available, so the pinion gets really small as gear ratio increases. Tire type and driving style influence longevity big time.
Halfshafts break (wheelhop, 500 to 600 hp): The more severe the wheelhop, the sooner the drive axles break. The stock computer calibration limits axlehop, but that also limits performance. Knowing when to back off the throttle is the cheap fix, followed by lighter-weight wheels and tires (because they have less inertia), and ultimately stouter aftermarket axles.
Posi problems (various): Jannetty says the stock Posi is weak: "It's prone to one-legger burnouts; the breakaway torque is way too low." Its Posi mods include upgraded clutch packs and a different preload spring. With a tuned Posi and revised internal gear preload, clearances, and patterns, the stock rear can take up to 750 hp, but 650 hp is more realistic for daily driving.
Driveshaft issues (over 5,000 rpm): Most report that the stock two-piece driveshaft is surprisingly robust. LPE's 9-second Camaro uses a shortened, stock, two-piece 'shaft, but with an improved center support to prevent the middle slider from twisting and binding. However, The Driveshaft Shop maintains that "anything with a slider is unstable over 5,000-rpm driveshaft speed." Its solutions range from a stouter two-piece unit with a CV joint or a one-piece aluminum or carbon-fiber 'shaft.
Just the rear end issues. And notice these are near stock power levels. How about that reliability?
Rear suspension flex (450 hp): IPS reports toe-arm failures as low as 25 to 50 hp over stock. Pfadt has stiffeners; BMR offers adjustable units. Excessive wheelhop can damage the rear trailing arms, contributing to differential problems (Pfadt and LPE have upgrades). Hotchkis sells a Chassis Max Brace to control unwanted suspension movement.
Rear subframe flex (475 hp): The stock subframe bushings allow excess cradle movement, causing lost power and bad traction. Replace with solid or polyurethane bushings for better rear-cradle durability and improved handling. Pfadt is one source.
Gears fail (500-plus horsepower): Only a three-series Posi carrier is available, so the pinion gets really small as gear ratio increases. Tire type and driving style influence longevity big time.
Halfshafts break (wheelhop, 500 to 600 hp): The more severe the wheelhop, the sooner the drive axles break. The stock computer calibration limits axlehop, but that also limits performance. Knowing when to back off the throttle is the cheap fix, followed by lighter-weight wheels and tires (because they have less inertia), and ultimately stouter aftermarket axles.
Posi problems (various): Jannetty says the stock Posi is weak: "It's prone to one-legger burnouts; the breakaway torque is way too low." Its Posi mods include upgraded clutch packs and a different preload spring. With a tuned Posi and revised internal gear preload, clearances, and patterns, the stock rear can take up to 750 hp, but 650 hp is more realistic for daily driving.
Driveshaft issues (over 5,000 rpm): Most report that the stock two-piece driveshaft is surprisingly robust. LPE's 9-second Camaro uses a shortened, stock, two-piece 'shaft, but with an improved center support to prevent the middle slider from twisting and binding. However, The Driveshaft Shop maintains that "anything with a slider is unstable over 5,000-rpm driveshaft speed." Its solutions range from a stouter two-piece unit with a CV joint or a one-piece aluminum or carbon-fiber 'shaft.
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12-13-2014, 12:48 PM
#32
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Nice try but stock power levels( AS in dealer tag new) is 330 to 370WHP depending on L99 or LS3 and the dyno you use! Big difference from 450WHP. 450 is heads and a cam car! I'll say this one more time! I own a Camaro SS so you can't fly some magazine article and baffle me with bullsh!t! My bolt on L99 has made about 300 passes in the last two years at Atco! Half that on drag radials and I can break anything if I tried! So just stop.
12-13-2014, 02:43 PM
#33
Of course the article is referring to wheel horse power. What the hell do you think they did? Remove the motor from the car and dyno just the motor after each mod??? If your not smart enought to understand the magazine articles your posting to try and back up your silly story, you probably shouldn't use them. I tell ya what. Let's line up my piece of **** broke *** SS against your classic mustang. I'll see you out 5 and you can cross your fingers and hope something breaks like all the other junky Camaros running around in your little dream world. Interested? Never mind you don't race you just sit around and watch em crash!.
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12-13-2014, 03:24 PM
#34
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Of course the article is referring to wheel horse power. What the hell do you think they did? Remove the motor from the car and dyno just the motor after each mod??? If your not smart enought to understand the magazine articles your posting to try and back up your silly story, you probably shouldn't use them. I tell ya what. Let's line up my piece of **** broke *** SS against your classic mustang. I'll see you out 5 and you can cross your fingers and hope something breaks like all the other junky Camaros running around in your little dream world. Interested? Never mind you don't race you just sit around and watch em crash!.
12-13-2014, 04:33 PM
#35
I'm a member of Camaro5. Funny how I never hear any complaints. What's your user name over there and what member over there specifically did you get your misinformation from? I'm done with you kid. I cant wait to hear your next NOT a race story. Maybe you can NOT race some chevy driving aliens or ghosts in your stock relic to make the story sound even cooler than this literary masterpiece . And oh yea, have the Corvette catch on fire at the end. That would be a nice touch!
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12-16-2014, 07:22 PM
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Holy hell how did I miss this thread! So new Camaros are breaking rears and **** now? At near stock levels? Well....I don't think there's a car on this Earth that I haven't seen break something at some point or another at the track. With that said, saying its a common issue with LS3/L99 SS's is absurd. I've got quite a few buddies that regular run theirs into the 11s and have been doing so since they came out and have yet to experience any of these breakages. Didn't know wheel hop was a major issue with them either. Definitely is an issue with GTOs, and with a dummy behind the wheel that doesn't know when to get off the throttle once that hopping crap starts, then yea, axles can break and occasional do. But so do Mach axles, Chevy 10 bolt rears, 3V input shafts, EVO axles, Subaru transmissions, etc. Come on now Copper...get for real man.
12-17-2014, 12:49 AM
#38
Its all nonsense. There's 15 Camaro ss on any Friday night at Atco. Most are mid 11 to high 12 second cars with a low 14 second v6 in the mix every once in a while. Doing burnouts and then launching the **** out of them and I've yet to see a single Camaro break. And if they are not breaking at the track when they are being abused they damn sure aren't breaking in the street. The kid has never seen the inside of a track and did like every other noob does. He thought it would be cool to attack a Chevy on a Mustang forum! Only problem is the brand locality comes a little harder in the racing section.
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12-17-2014, 07:27 AM
#40
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Blue, you pretty hit the nail on the head. I think the responses from S/S crowd comes as a bit of a surprise to new guys.
Explosive, just ask Greddy about 5th gens. They have done some impressive work with them up at livernois. Those cars can hold some power!
Explosive, just ask Greddy about 5th gens. They have done some impressive work with them up at livernois. Those cars can hold some power!
