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Old 09-10-2007, 09:21 PM   #1
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Default GT500 rods crap!!

just to verify, stock terminator rods are stronger than the stock rods in the gt500's. y would shelby do that?????????????????????
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:54 PM   #2
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because ford saw what people were doing to the terminators... so they fixed it.


Why do you say they suck? lol
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:07 PM   #3
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yea how are they crap?
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forged i beam rods cant take as much cylinder pressure as the forged h beams. u guys seriously didnt know that?????? read up fellas
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Old 09-10-2007, 10:24 PM   #5
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Default RE: GT500 rods crap!!

actually everywhere i've read about the gt500 says the rods are actually "forced steel" connecting rods (sorry readin this post made me whip out past issues of MM&FF). I'm not too keen on build processes, but im pretty sure this is the hydroforming/pressure casting vs.forging process.
Similar to theearlier cobras forged pistons and crank and powdered metal rods
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Default RE: GT500 rods crap!!

terminator rods are superior but gt500 pistons are better than terminator pistons. hp threshold for gt500 is a rather low, 675 hp, according to sources. True that some have taken the gt500 past those power levels, but very risky and not reliable. its the forged i beam design that kills it. If it had forged h beam or billet i beam, it would have been a lot stronger.
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Old 09-11-2007, 04:02 AM   #7
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I'm not sure who made you think the Terminators have forged H-beam rods, but they were wrong. They have Manley forged I-beams. I would doubt that the GT500 rods are weaker. If they are, it might be attributed to their slightly longer length. Also, Ford built that engine, not Shelby. Shelby basically just does some final assembly and stamps their name on it. Finally, that 675hp number that you got might not be the amount the motor can safely handle but rather the amount that is easily attained with simple pulley changes. Ford "fixed" what they did "wrong" on the Terminator byequipping the GT500 witha relatively small stock blower pulley and large crank pulley, so there is not enoughroom to significantly up the boost with a simple pulley swap due to low clearances. I read somewhere that all you can get out of them without a blower swap is another 4-5psi (or something like that).
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Old 09-11-2007, 07:22 AM   #8
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haha I have been saying for months now what you're saying now... The rods used in the Terminator are stronger then the shelby.. I would like to have the shelby top half of the motor with my bottom half of the motor, with their displacement [8D]

but that's what ford did, they wanted to limit how much power you could run on the stock motor...
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I'm not sure who made you think the Terminators have forged H-beam rods, but they were wrong. They have Manley forged I-beams. I would doubt that the GT500 rods are weaker. If they are, it might be attributed to their slightly longer length. Also, Ford built that engine, not Shelby. Shelby basically just does some final assembly and stamps their name on it. Finally, that 675hp number that you got might not be the amount the motor can safely handle but rather the amount that is easily attained with simple pulley changes. Ford "fixed" what they did "wrong" on the Terminator byequipping the GT500 witha relatively small stock blower pulley and large crank pulley, so there is not enoughroom to significantly up the boost with a simple pulley swap due to low clearances. I read somewhere that all you can get out of them without a blower swap is another 4-5psi (or something like that).
sir, stop tryin to sound intelligent. terminators have forge H beam. read up fella. what a newb
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"The SVT engineers specified forged "H-beam" connecting rods from Manley Manufacturing, which have the strength to withstand the engine’s high torque output. The rods are fitted with new forged pistons with dished tops similar to those on the SVT Lightning. These pistons lower the compression ratio to 8.5:1, which is necessary to handle the higher compression pressures developed in the supercharged engine."

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"The SVT engineers specified forged "H-beam" connecting rods from Manley Manufacturing, which have the strength to withstand the engine’s high torque output. The rods are fitted with new forged pistons with dished tops similar to those on the SVT Lightning. These pistons lower the compression ratio to 8.5:1, which is necessary to handle the higher compression pressures developed in the supercharged engine."

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thanks dude for that. some people dont do their research, lol! i think you and i are on the same page though!! so far, i havent found a post u made, that i disagree with. wanna go for some beers later on?? lol!
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Thanks mfj, I wasn't trying to sound intelligent, I am intelligent. I'm sure even Einstein had brainfarts now and then. I was wrong, they do have H-beams.
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Thanks mfj, I wasn't trying to sound intelligent, I am intelligent. I'm sure even Einstein had brainfarts now and then. I was wrong, they do have H-beams.
im sorry for sounding like a jerk. my bad
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its cool man
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:54 PM   #15
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I would but your not old enough
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"The SVT engineers specified forged "H-beam" connecting rods from Manley Manufacturing, which have the strength to withstand the engine’s high torque output. The rods are fitted with new forged pistons with dished tops similar to those on the SVT Lightning. These pistons lower the compression ratio to 8.5:1, which is necessary to handle the higher compression pressures developed in the supercharged engine."

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thanks dude for that. some people dont do their research, lol! i think you and i are on the same page though!! so far, i havent found a post u made, that i disagree with. wanna go for some beers later on?? lol!
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well next year in may then, hahaha!
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I've alsoread that our Terminator Rods are stronger and I'vealso commented on it before.Here's a good read to add to the discussion:

http://svtperformance.com/forums/sho...;highlight=650

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I've alsoread that our Terminator Rods are stronger and I'vealso commented on it before.Here's a good read to add to the discussion:

http://svtperformance.com/forums/sho...;highlight=650


What's interesting is that people are pushing way more than 650-675 crank hp, and the motors hold up. IMHO, that's good news and for GT500 owners.I'm glad to see people are pushing more power than that. 650-675 crank hp on the GT500 isn't that much more over stock when you compare it to how much power Terminators push over stock, or even at the rear wheels.
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well all the shelbys are still new. we'll see how long they last with that much power. my guess is that this time, next year, there are going to be a lot of broken shelbys out there!!
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well all the shelbys are still new. we'll see how long they last with that much power. my guess is that this time, next year, there are going to be a lot of broken shelbys out there!!
Yea, theyare stillpretty new soonly time will tell.But I hope those motors hold up. If they don't, then it really would be a failure on Ford's part in producing a Mustang superior than the Terminator. One of the best thing about the Terminator is the forged internals, and how much power these engines can hold. The internals don't need to be touched until you're making a serious amount of power.

Froma performance standpoint, the GT500 has a bigger motor, which is a good thing. But, If it cost more, weighs more, and can't hold more or atleast as much power, then there's not much more being offered other than the Shelby name.

And on top of that, it will add fuel to the fire for the many GT500 haters. Everyone hates on these car because they're big, heavy, expensive and don't put up good track times for having 500HP. ...I get sick of hearing that ****. These cars deserve their respect. And IMO, the only way they'll get their respect is if people continue to push the limits on these cars and make **** loads of power, just like they did with the Terminator.
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