Originally Posted by Cruzinaround
Jim 5.0..... if that's how you see it you're entitled to that opinion. But don't speak as if you know what the majority perspective is. In fact if what you say is true for you to distinguish them apart then you're seriously cross eyed or legally blind. Take the following...
You see convergence taking place in the design of the side aerodynamics and how it integrates into the door and rear quarters.... Obviously form following function applies Therefore convergence in engineering comes to the same conclusion and therefore the design execution is similar...
As for the front fascia. The way the teardrop headlights on the Astin flow up into the fenders along side the hood lines...is definitely not how Ford addressed their execution of the front headlight. The front upper Grill treatment is similar in location which can be attributed to convergence, but the treatment itself is not the same, unless you're seeing a honeycomb pattern and find it the same as a horizontal pattern or you're suffering from astigmatism. Not to mention the dimension of the opening curvature is not the same. Also the lower fascia has a similar way of directing airflow on the outer edges below the headlights...but the way things are treated in between are different. An open inlet as opposed to a grilled inlet and the side splitters have a lighting treatment on the Mustang. As well as the front splitter on the Astin is a separate application that is blacked out as oppsed to the one on the Mustang which looks more like an extension of the upper bumper.
Then there's the hood itself.... The curvature and the heat extractors are definitely similar and also due to convergence in practical design and engineering. Its just makes sense for aerodynamic reasons and functional purpose that the hoods should be this way. But the location of the extractors are not the same, possibly due to the fact that they are more efficient in each application where they are placed and the hood lines are similar in form but the pronounced ridge line on the Mustang sets it apart. Then again these attributes are similar across many different models and makes of sport coupes and sedans.
It can be seen that the current crop of complainers are simply experiencing the same thing the Fox Body fans did when the body style changed. They didn't like it since they were already too familiar with what they already fell in love with. Unfortunately if we all drove the decision for Ford to remain on the Fox body imagine how much our cars would suck today trying to engineer components and technology to fit that constraining form rather than designing the form of a car to fit the function of all the unconstrained components.
The s550 is a brilliant step forward. It's form is functional. Its design is forward thinking and its looks are sleek and modern with a definite hat tip to its Pony Car roots and plenty of power to remind us that its also a Muscle Car that can also zig and zag unlike any Mustang ever before it.
I disagree, but I disagree with you in a friendly manner and in the spirit of debate; although our sides are based from each of own opinions, likes and dislikes.
What I mean is you are completely disregarding how much more massively similar the two cars look to each other and only focusing on the fine details the most people would not even notice (save for the few who actually know anything about cars).
To me, I just think you are focusing way too much on the specific details that you became completely blind to just how similar each car is to each other.
Sure, the Vanquish grille is not exactly the same shape as the S550, but they are still wide and somewhat tall. You're right the dimensions of each opening are different, but you cannot know that until you are really close enough to see the difference and the exact shape differences of each.
Sure, the lower fascia of each functions differently because they are different cars, but unless you are paying attention, you will not even notice that the two lower fascias even look different.
And sure the Vanquish has teardrop headlamps that are more rotated up and towards the hood, but they are still long and thin like the S550 headlamps.
To me, the difference in the hood extractors of both cars are completely irrelevant as to the overall appearance and shape of the total car. Again, you would not even notice the two have completely different extractors because the hood shapes and front quarter panel shapes are so similar.
My point is look at both the S550 and Vanquish pictures again and now focus on the similarities and not on all the details.
Look at them with only a glance without time to pick out specifics such as headlamp shapes, hood extractors, the exact different shapes of the grilles, etc.
The overall total cars look more alike than unlike. Only upon picking out details will you be able to realize that they are not the same car.
The same goes for the Saleen S550 front end kit and the 5th Gen Camaro ZL1. There are way more similarities than differences. As a matter of fact, you really have to be looking very close to even see the differences of the Saleen kit and ZL1 front end.
Sure, this might be attributed to convergence, but you cannot deny that the S550 and Vanquish look more similar to each other than not, even with all the details you mentioned.
The S550 is targeted for Europe so the EU pedestrian protection features are in both Vanquish and S550 - Convergence of both technologies which also greatly affect front end shape. Convergence due to legislation and regulation.
The S550 is going IRS, just like Camaros and Challengers have already done - Convergence due to performance goals.
The S550 is 70mm wider, and thus has "Camaro shoulders" on the rear quarter panels to house the wider track width - Convergence again due to performance goals.
The Mustangs have a long time ago gone to OHC, and now DOHC TiVCT due to a combination of performance and emphasis on better fuel economy and emissions - Convergence due to performance, regulatory, and legislative constraints.
I am not saying the S550 is a heavy sloth that handles like a pig, drinks gas like an inefficient hog, and is a traitor for eliminating live axle. I love what Ford has done and all these features they packed into it; especially the performance goal of the S550 GT Performance Package beating S197 Bosses on the track.
I just dislike the cosmetic package: the looks of the front end.
On the note of being accused as a complainer just because FoMoCo is changing the Mustang style again, I'm not. Please don't associate me with someone who dislikes change. I love change, only if it is for the better.
I am a complainer this time around because to me, in my opinion, and because it is my dislike, I just don't like the Evos at all. If the Mustang were restyled differently without any Evos influence in it, I would really love the S550 a whole lot more.
I said it before, I know Ford has awesome body designers and I know they could have done so much better even though retro is out of the question. I just wanted to see a much better looking brand new Mustang style than Mustang that decided to converge too much with a Vanquish and other Aston Martins.
Moreover, don't attribute me as a fair weather fan nor as someone who would ditch Mustang when times are low; I still love Mustangs, even when the Fox bodies were around.
To me, Foxes were unpleasant to look at, only the Mustang II being uglier in my eye.
Very ironically, it was Foxes that made me fall in love with Mustangs and research everything I could about Mustangs. Even the Mustang II became endearing to me even though I considered it a stab in the back of the 64-72 classic 'Stangs.
And sooner or later, I will purchase a S550, even though I hate the Evos. The Evos in the S550 might not be as ugly to me in the future, but unfortunately, I know I will never accept the Evos looks.