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I tested mine today a few times. The transmission did not shift into 1st hard, but I noticed that when I braked the stopping was a little more abrupt. That doesn't make sense to me, but each time I stopped, the transmission shifted down OK... reasonably smoothly, but then when I used the brakes to stop completely they seemed to grab a little! ???? Anyone have an idea what could cause that? Is that what you are talking about?
Yours is tuned from the Roush kit, so of course it doesn't!
He's talking a stock set-up. The down shifts in sports mode with a stock GT are horrible. A basic tuner seems to get rid of that annoyance, but goodbye warranty
Yours is tuned from the Roush kit, so of course it doesn't!
He's talking a stock set-up. The down shifts in sports mode with a stock GT are horrible. A basic tuner seems to get rid of that annoyance, but goodbye warranty
I actually didn't notice that before I had the supercharger put on, but the brakes do seem to grab harder when coming to a complete stop in "Sports Mode"! That makes no sense to me, but it does on my GT.
Warranties - You guys have to let go of the belief everything you do kills your warranty! It doesn't & I'm getting tired of making that point. For the 8 thousandth time, legal precedent says that Ford must prove that the alteration you made caused a failure Ford should not have to repair. My '08 Mustang had a Roush Supercharger sitting on it I Ford replaced the transmission with no problem. At the same time we know some ignorant service righters will tell you if you have a tune on your GT that when your stereo goes out Ford doesn't have to cover it under warranty. What Ford has to do, is determined by a Judge, not Ford. Of course, in my case I was about 67 years old & the car looked mint with no abuse. A 22 year old that races at every other stoplight, or has a mohawk may get different treatment than I did! LOL! That doesn't change the law & legal precedents. I just bought a new 2016 GT & told the Service Manager I was going to put a supercharger on it. I asked if that would be a problem with the warranty. He basically said not to worry about it. If there was no evidence of abuse to the Mustang there would be no problem with the warranty. That makes sense! How a service department deals with warranties is controlled by whether the service manager is a ignorant jerk or a is decent guy, but that doesn't change how courts deal with such things. On the other hand if you beat the snot out of your Mustang & take to the drags every weekend, why should you expect to Ford to repair your race car! Take the slicks off the car before going in for a repair! LOL! I suggest people should talk to their local service manager before they buy the car, or a least before they need a warranty repair. If the service manager is a jerk buy at a different dealership, or go to a different dealership for service. Bottom line - don't listen to a service writer that was installing mufflers at Pep Boys two months ago & thinks he is a lawyer!
Warranties - You guys have to let go of the belief everything you do kills your warranty! It doesn't & I'm getting tired of making that point. For the 8 thousandth time, legal precedent says that Ford must prove that the alteration you made caused a failure Ford should not have to repair.
My LOL! I suggest people should talk to their local service manager before they buy the car, or a least before they need a warranty repair. If the service manager is a jerk buy at a different dealership, or go to a different dealership for service. Bottom line - don't listen to a service writer that was installing mufflers at Pep Boys two months ago & thinks he is a lawyer!
You may be very surprised if you have an engine problem and then your service manager says "have to send it to Ford for approval first". Warranty coverage is NOT the dealership's call. If an engine needs to be replaced, Ford will send a field engineer out to check the situation and will require certain tests to be run first.
For the
8 thousandth time,
Ford warranties the car that Ford built. When you modify the car it is no longer the car that Ford built. If that modification can be found to be a proximate cause of your problem, then warranty coverage of the repair will be denied. Ford doesn't have to take you to court to prove that your modification caused it; they just have to say "in our opinion, your modification caused this". It is up to you to sue them and try to prove otherwise.
And Ford already has the engineers on staff, and studies, all at their fingertips. While you will have to hire your own experts to prove that the failure was Ford's fault and had nothing to do with your modifications. Pretty expensive proposition with no guarantee that you will prevail in your product liability lawsuit. Magnuson Moss doesn't say you win just by declaring it exists. You still have to prove that what the Ford engineers determined was wrong.
And I'm not
a service writer that was installing mufflers at Pep Boys two months ago & thinks he is a lawyer!
I am a lawyer.
And the Roush warranty is not the Ford warranty. Roush offers a warranty for an approved installation of their product which covers what the Ford warranty won't for the that modification.
I'm sorry Lawyer, but I choose to believe "My Experience" in that I have already had Ford replaced a transmission in warranty with a Roush Supercharger sitting on my car... with out a word, when I hadn't even bought the Roush Driveline warranty. They saw not signs of abuse & the tranny was bad! No charge1
Of course it is up to Ford to decide if they will honor "any" warranty & of course if Ford is unreasonable then you do have to sue Ford! What a bulletin! Then who makes the decision? The judge, not Ford!
You said that "The Roush warranty is not the Ford warranty!" Isn't that obvious since it's called the Ford warranty! You might tell the Roush Rep. on the forum that their Roush warranty is useless & no one should do any modification to their car if they have any kind of warranty on it!
Jim C, you always have an attitude towards anything I post... nothing new! So let's just agree that the readers can make their own decision! They can choose to wait until their warranty expires before doing any modifications at all to their car (Better not get an extended warranty...yikes?) It's always their choice.... of course! I'm just sharing my personal experience in having an expensive warranty repair done with a Roush GT Supercharger sitting on the engine! They said, "No abuse, no problem!" Car abused, or professionally raced.... problem!
I also chose to place some belief the word of Roush, the word of the local Ford service manager, & the word of the owner of my local Ford dealer when I asked him if the car would still be warranted with a Roush Supercharger on it! The dealership even offered to put the Supercharger on for me under warranty!
[B]Last word: Don't listen to that Troll, Mr. D!! I suggested in my 8,001st post on this subject that anyone with a Mustang in warranty should find a nice Ford Service manager that seems to be a reasonable person & honestly tell them how you will drive & treat your car "HONESTLY," you don't race it, or abuse it.... then see what the manager says about your modification! Of course no one will promise to back a warranty on car that has been raced, beat the snot out of it, "BUT" they may also tell you that they will honor the warranty of the car "IF" there are no obvious signs of racing & abuse! After all... Ford puts these Superchargers on their GT 500's to run. They are a knot product! NOW... If a 23 year old Wild Child with tats on his neck, a mohawk, wearing a T-Shirt that says "Drive it like you stole it!"with half worn street slicks on your Mustang... he might well get a different answer because the Manager expects abuse & racing on that car!
It isn't an automatic rule written in stone! It's a decision they make based on the situation at hand!
Do what you feel comfortable with.... period! It's only one Troll's experience.... but it's not just an opinion.... it's documentable experience!
Find out for yourself! Let's not talk about this again! It pizzas of the Mods! The rules say they are always right!
So let's just agree that the readers can make their own decision!
Except you have to give correct information. And telling people that as long as their dealer service manager says it is okay, that is all they need. If you give out bad information it needs to be corrected.
It is not up to the service manager. On your transmission issue they had to talk with Ford first to see if it was covered - and Ford either said they wanted to send a field engineer out first, or approved it on the phone. One of my friends is retired as service manager for a dealer, and he had to call to get my transmission approved; Ford sent out an engineer to check it out before authorizing the work. He told me how warranty coverage works for the dealer to get paid.
Except you have to give correct information. And telling people that as long as their dealer service manager says it is okay, that is all they need. If you give out bad information it needs to be corrected.
It is not up to the service manager. On your transmission issue they had to talk with Ford first to see if it was covered - and Ford either said they wanted to send a field engineer out first, or approved it on the phone. One of my friends is retired as service manager for a dealer, and he had to call to get my transmission approved; Ford sent out an engineer to check it out before authorizing the work. He told me how warranty coverage works for the dealer to get paid.
Based on my experience this is absolutely correct. For those of you on the fence about who to believe, sadly, believe this lawyer.
My wife and I were sometimes frustrated with our 2014 manual shift GT premium because of all the road work delays we have in town. I also have gout flare ups that hurt to shift sometimes.
We actually were getting the oil c
hanged at the dealership and found a 2015 GT Premium automatic. We were skeptical because we had previously owed a 2010 GT premium auto and said the next one would be manual. Anyway, we test drove the 2015 auto and loved it. Lot's of get up and go. No bogging down until 3rd gear when it would catch up like in my 2010 auto.
For comparison, we also test drove a 2015 GT Premium manual shift and it was great as well. But the performance of the auto seemed (to me) to be just as good. I'm sure I will miss the feel of manual shifting some. But, not in the heavy traffic or when I have gout issues.
Except you have to give correct information. And telling people that as long as their dealer service manager says it is okay, that is all they need. If you give out bad information it needs to be corrected.
It is not up to the service manager. On your transmission issue they had to talk with Ford first to see if it was covered - and Ford either said they wanted to send a field engineer out first, or approved it on the phone. One of my friends is retired as service manager for a dealer, and he had to call to get my transmission approved; Ford sent out an engineer to check it out before authorizing the work. He told me how warranty coverage works for the dealer to get paid.
As is so common on this forum, you have "impolitely" argued against "points I did not assert"! I understand it's part of the culture of MF to jump on people with which you don't agree, but I don't need to be part of that!I suggest, if you had read my posts with a little less confrontational attitude & a few polite questions to understand what I was trying to say you you might have understood me! Now, it's quite possible I didn't make myself clear!
MY ONLY POINT HAS BEEN that putting a modification on a warranty car does not "automatically void the entire warranty" as so many service writers will tell you, & other posters either say or elude to on this forum!
Of course, Ford may go through procedures before making a repair should be expected, but I have found Ford pretty reasonable in doing that. As I have said, that may vary based on the personality of the car's owner. I was a 67 year old retired school teacher with a mint car with the original rear tires on the car when they replaced a complete transmission & I believe clutch plate on my Mustang when it had a "unwarranted" Roush Supercharger on it! Now, if I was 22 with a mohawk , tattoos on my neck & slicks on the rear of the car my warranty might have been denied as it likely should have been as Ford didn't warranty it as a race car! That same dealership was also willing to install a Roush Supercharger on a my new 2016 GT as part of the purchase arrangement & made the clear statement that it would not void my Ford warranty! That might have placed the dealership in a position of having to back the warranty itself if Ford wouldn't, but as you know many Ford dealers have installed Roush Superchargers on new cars over the years & Ford warranties were maintained. What I've told readers is based on my exact experience with Ford, not some theory or legal posture!
From the other point of view, can you guarantee me my Ford warranty is now voided because I had a Roush Supercharger installed on it?? I doubt that..... & that's my point exactly! It depends on the circumstances & the judgement of Ford!
Meanwhile many service writers will continue to tell customers that "any modification" voids the "entire warranty" & that scares people with new cars. I have suggested that people talk to their service manager & ask whether they can depend on him being reasonable & supportive if you if you need a warranty repair with the specific modification & assuming you have not abused the car in any way. Likely one service manager may so "No!", while another service manager may say "Yes!" based on his evaluation of you & how he thinks you will treat the car. I think much would be based on the type of modification & who installed it on the car. A well known product installed by a well known qualified shop.... or a 22 year old backyard mechanic with three cases of beer & a box hand tools! If I had installed the Supercharger myself... I wouldn't warranty the car either & I've completely built quite a few cars from the frame up... but I paid a good specialist to install my Supercharger!
MY ONLY POINT IS THAT EVERY MODIFICATION DOES NOT IMMEDIATELY VOID YOUR FORD WARRANTY! I have written proof of that fact in my receipts from my '08 Mustang! .... I just say'n! People can believe what they want contrary to any facts presented! There is no Global Warming! LOL!
07-06-2016, 09:46 PM
