If they put a 4 banger in it there will be trouble
11-25-2013, 02:14 PM
#51
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Source please, I don't doubt you are right.. but I tried to google production numbers and didn't come up with much.
Like I said, I don't disagree, but bending to a 4 banger and chassis/body redesign for a more Euro style when Europe will always be dominated by Euro auto makers due to subsidies and such.. well it is UnAmerican in my view and not what makes a Mustang great. Europeans want Mustangs because they are Americana, not because they look and feel like what they can get there.
Citroen
Can't tell that to these guys.. they know better
Like I said, I don't disagree, but bending to a 4 banger and chassis/body redesign for a more Euro style when Europe will always be dominated by Euro auto makers due to subsidies and such.. well it is UnAmerican in my view and not what makes a Mustang great. Europeans want Mustangs because they are Americana, not because they look and feel like what they can get there.
Citroen
Can't tell that to these guys.. they know better
Anyways, here's 2010's figures. About half way down it mentions the shortage of v6 mustangs. surprisingly the V8 was at 49% total number of sales. That's down from nearly 60% in 2009...? It's counters my point but I'll keep digging. That's not the norm.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...oubt-cars.html
11-26-2013, 07:50 PM
#53
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ahahah yep, the idea is really that one 
By the way, I came from Europe and there is a different way of seeing things.
First of all, with the gasoline average price at 10 bucks per gallon you love the V6, you'll die for a V8 but then you will buy a four-in-line because you can't do otherwise (if you are unlucky you need to deal with a 3 cyl turbodiesel...)
We have different roads, different way of driving and for sure different traditions.
for this reason I say that I agree, a Mustang with a 4 cyl is not appropriate at all but we are talking about money and the European market needs to be considered in a different way.
If we keep only the V6 and the V8 for Europe it will be hardly competitive because of the price and the maintenance. In Italy for example there is a tax to pay, $30 per Kw over 185kw (247cv) for cars less than 10 years old.
For a 2005 Mustang GT you should pay every year for registration, this tax and insurance something about $5k.
I'm not wondering if the 4 Ecoboost will have, as a coincidence, "only" 240CV or less, maybe for this reason too (other european countries have these kind of taxes)
By the way, I came from Europe and there is a different way of seeing things.
First of all, with the gasoline average price at 10 bucks per gallon you love the V6, you'll die for a V8 but then you will buy a four-in-line because you can't do otherwise (if you are unlucky you need to deal with a 3 cyl turbodiesel...)
We have different roads, different way of driving and for sure different traditions.
for this reason I say that I agree, a Mustang with a 4 cyl is not appropriate at all but we are talking about money and the European market needs to be considered in a different way.
If we keep only the V6 and the V8 for Europe it will be hardly competitive because of the price and the maintenance. In Italy for example there is a tax to pay, $30 per Kw over 185kw (247cv) for cars less than 10 years old.
For a 2005 Mustang GT you should pay every year for registration, this tax and insurance something about $5k.
I'm not wondering if the 4 Ecoboost will have, as a coincidence, "only" 240CV or less, maybe for this reason too (other european countries have these kind of taxes)
11-26-2013, 10:41 PM
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11-28-2013, 10:37 AM
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Yes it is arguably the same, however it is the way in which it is implemented that is preferential or discriminatory.
Another way to think of it;
America: You can get what you want (truck, high performance car), but you are going to pay a little more at the pump in the end since it uses more gas
Europe: You don't need to high performance car, therefor we will tax them based on horsepower to discourage their sales... add to that their already high gas taxes and a person is discouraged more
Semantics, but to me it is the difference between freedom and control, common man and privileged classes... I digress
12-01-2013, 10:17 AM
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What would be interesting is what is Ford doing to correct the problem in the recall?
I doubt if they are replacing the engine. ?? Insulation? Different Tune? Water pump? Fan? ??
However in a Mustang, which is going to be driven much harder will you see reduced performance to control temperature?? Will the ECU reduce turbo boost, or change other engine parameters to keep heat down.
I would hope that a Mustang with a Turbo 4, would have better cooling... Larger Radiator? Larger Electric fan? Electric water pump?
I doubt if they are replacing the engine. ?? Insulation? Different Tune? Water pump? Fan? ??
However in a Mustang, which is going to be driven much harder will you see reduced performance to control temperature?? Will the ECU reduce turbo boost, or change other engine parameters to keep heat down.
I would hope that a Mustang with a Turbo 4, would have better cooling... Larger Radiator? Larger Electric fan? Electric water pump?
12-03-2013, 12:50 PM
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What would be interesting is what is Ford doing to correct the problem in the recall?
I doubt if they are replacing the engine. ?? Insulation? Different Tune? Water pump? Fan? ??
However in a Mustang, which is going to be driven much harder will you see reduced performance to control temperature?? Will the ECU reduce turbo boost, or change other engine parameters to keep heat down.
I would hope that a Mustang with a Turbo 4, would have better cooling... Larger Radiator? Larger Electric fan? Electric water pump?
I doubt if they are replacing the engine. ?? Insulation? Different Tune? Water pump? Fan? ??
However in a Mustang, which is going to be driven much harder will you see reduced performance to control temperature?? Will the ECU reduce turbo boost, or change other engine parameters to keep heat down.
I would hope that a Mustang with a Turbo 4, would have better cooling... Larger Radiator? Larger Electric fan? Electric water pump?
Even if this new generation seems smaller than the current one, there will be enough room to sit the engine without sacrificing the cooling. I know it seems weird but modern cars have a forced air design that helps the engine cooling by closing the whole engine bay leaving only an air inlet and outlet. (a car with the undercar cover it cools better than the same without it.
but anyway I agree, I think that this new generation will have a lot of youth issues. we will see
12-06-2013, 06:00 PM
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With the 2015 press release I read that the EcoBoost will have more horsepower, more torque and a better gas mileage compared to the V6...
I'm concerned, maybe the V6 will be reserved for the first year only to the real entry level 'stang? (like the Camaro LS trim and the LT/SS trims)
and after the first year bye bye V6?
I'm concerned, maybe the V6 will be reserved for the first year only to the real entry level 'stang? (like the Camaro LS trim and the LT/SS trims)
and after the first year bye bye V6?
12-07-2013, 06:36 AM
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12-07-2013, 07:36 AM
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With the 2015 press release I read that the EcoBoost will have more horsepower, more torque and a better gas mileage compared to the V6...
I'm concerned, maybe the V6 will be reserved for the first year only to the real entry level 'stang? (like the Camaro LS trim and the LT/SS trims)
and after the first year bye bye V6?
I'm concerned, maybe the V6 will be reserved for the first year only to the real entry level 'stang? (like the Camaro LS trim and the LT/SS trims)
and after the first year bye bye V6?