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Old 06-14-2014, 05:20 AM   #21
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incorrect. "Curb weight" is a very specific term. It's the weight of the vehicle with all fluids, all consumables, a full tank of fuel, but no passengers or cargo. What you're referring to would be "dry weight."
I know the definition of curb weight. that list from the dealer doesn't mention curb weight or dry weight.

Actually it does say Base curb weight. maybe this is a new dealer term. So the premium gt will weigh quite a bit more than that?
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Old 06-14-2014, 09:53 AM   #22
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I know the definition of curb weight. that list from the dealer doesn't mention curb weight or dry weight.

Actually it does say Base curb weight.
Ok then, glad we cleared that up.

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maybe this is a new dealer term.
no it isn't; it's the curb weight of the base model of each configuration.

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So the premium gt will weigh quite a bit more than that?
not necessarily since many options involve replacing a component with a different one, and not just slapping on more stuff.
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Wow...can't say that I've ever seen anyone nitpick curb weight vs dry weight. So how much more do the extra fluids weigh?
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Wow...can't say that I've ever seen anyone nitpick curb weight vs dry weight. So how much more do the extra fluids weigh?
water is roughly 8 lbs per gallon, oil/gas/petroleum fluids are a bit over 7 lbs/gal.
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So it could be about 100Lbs more, if those weights are without fuel and windshield washer fluid, as I'm pretty sure, engine oil and antifreeze come pre filled from the factory.
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So it could be about 100Lbs more, if those weights are without fuel and windshield washer fluid, as I'm pretty sure, engine oil and antifreeze come pre filled from the factory.
*sigh* I've already said "curb weight" is with all fluids filled to specified capacity and a full tank of fuel. why are we still arguing about this?
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the weight gain is minor, at best:

http://jalopnik.com/the-2015-mustang...nds-1590194961

which is good. I was expecting maybe 100-150 lbs, so kudos to Ford for keeping the weight gain as small as it is.

I wouldn't write off Steeda just yet. Those S550 weight figures could be just for the bare stripped down weights of each trim; i.e. no Premium subtrim/packages and definitely no options whatsoever.

Add Premium subtrim/package and fully option out everything and a GT fastback (not convertible) could hit that +300lbf mark that Steeda is estimating.

With the use of heavy steel to build this car, plus all that extra European pedestrian crash safety equipment, not to mention the heavier IRS, I admit I'm impressed that Ford did not increase the GT coupe (fastback) by only 90-97lbf more than the 2011-14 S197 GT. For the reasons I already said, I assume that the weight given by Jaloponik is for the 301A GT fastback with no options and no Premium subtrim/package.
Still, Ford could have saved more weight. Look what they did for the F150: Going almost all aluminum saved a massive amount of weight from their heavy trucks. I wonder if this avenue could have done the same for the S550? At the very least, saving weight with lighter metal parts could have allowed Ford to put in stronger IRS spindles (halfshafts) so that we Mustang fans would not have to go through the very same suffering that Camaro SS owners have experienced with just bolt-on N/A engine mods.

If I break down to buy the S550, I for one will not buy the MY 2015 S550. I will at the very least wait until MY 2016 when all the weaknesses are known and either Ford makes subsequent improvements or the aftermarket offers better and stronger mod parts than the OEM. My first goal will to get rid of all the weak and underpar bushings in the IRS to get rid of the slop that is sure to be present especially under WOT on even the stock 435BHP Coyote. Ford will absolutely no doubt put in too soft of bushings for the sake of that daily driving ride that they always place above supporting the 400+BHP power of their engines.
My second goal (actually, preferably at the same time as replacing he IRS bushings) would be to get rid of the stock IRS spindles and put in stronger ones to avoid what the Camaso SS owners have discovered.

If Ford executes the S550 production very well with little bugs and if they actually decide to sacrifice some daily driving NVH to give more improved performance and durability, that will be an absolutely pleasant surprise that I will very gladly welcome with open arms; and that just might be enough to push me to buy a MY2015 S550 GT coupe (fastback).
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I wouldn't write off Steeda just yet. Those S550 weight figures could be just for the bare stripped down weights of each trim; i.e. no Premium subtrim/packages and definitely no options whatsoever.

Add Premium subtrim/package and fully option out everything and a GT fastback (not convertible) could hit that +300lbf mark that Steeda is estimating.
I've already written them off since they admitted they just pulled that number out of their ***. Base curb weight means the same thing on S550 as it does for S197.

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Still, Ford could have saved more weight. Look what they did for the F150: Going almost all aluminum saved a massive amount of weight from their heavy trucks. I wonder if this avenue could have done the same for the S550?
sure they could have. Would you be willing to pay $35,000 for a base V6 Mustang?

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Old 06-15-2014, 12:36 PM   #30
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There are ways to reduce weight without going to an all aluminum body.
Carpeting and door/side panels (basically upholstery) are much too heavy for what they are.
They found a way to to lighten this crap up on airplanes (for obvious reasons) so the solution exists.
Make the car smaller is another very efficient way to trim weight without making the Stang as small as a Fiat 500. Lol

For the new all aluminum F150, Ford says that it won't be really more expensive than the current truck.
I know one thing though, the price of a door shell for example, won't be in the same ball park than a metal one, not even close.
Repairing this truck won't be cheap and Ins. Cies already have policies in mind to match the extra expenses.
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