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Old 01-14-2010, 05:44 PM   #21
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meh.. didn't they also up the rev limiter in 2010? it's almost like racing an intake+tune 05-09.. which 2-3 people have gotten down to 12.8.. but most people are looking at low 13s.. (its not quite as aggresive as a tuned 05-09, but from what i've heard not far off, they dont pick up much of anything from intake+tune) so with that said I dont think anyone will ever get in the 12s with a stock 2010. but who knows? maybe in a year or 2 1 person will hit 12.9 in awesome air. I just don't think so though. but still.. I think a normally driven 2010 shouldn't be far off from a full bolt on new edge which the OP is not.

unless the guy sucks at driving i think OP will lose, possibly even faster than most of you guys are thinking.. track pack cars come with 3.73s dont they? so depends on which one you race too..

the people doing high 13s in s197 are nubs to manual cars or babying their car.. which an average 2010 might very well be... many people who buy new mustangs aren't into racing, just like the looks/idea of having a mustang.
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:18 PM   #22
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15 hp maybe not, but with the 3.73 rear axle, 13.3 is not impossible by any means, and if you factor in the track pack, low low 13's is very possible. Don't discount the minor suspension components either, they help out a good bit (both stock, and with the track pack option)


13.8 as an average for a 2010? Respectfully man, that's just ridiculous. I know you know your ****, but if magazines are running consistent 13.5's, think about someone who actually owns the car and has a chance to get to the track often.
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Now that you understand what average means. There is nooooo Way the average driver running in a 2010 Mustang GT is running a 13.3. Check Motor Trend or Road & Track. These guys test cars all the time and you'd think they'd be fairly solid behind the wheel. I mean after all they do make a living testing cars. Yet they clocked a time of 13.8(Road & track)and a 13.5(Motor trend) I'm no mathlete but i'd think that would give you an average of 13.65. Now there is probably alot of guys dragging this average down even farther by being sh!tty drivers. And I gareentee. For every good driver thats running 13.3 in a stock GT there is 10 guys running 13.8 or worse because their drag racing skills are "average" at best. I do agree with you that a 13.3 is very possible! Just far from the average.
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:55 PM   #23
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Good post BB. I was thinking the same thing after reading that post, but didn't really know how to word it. Anyway, what you said needs to be a sticky on every car forum imo.
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Old 01-14-2010, 07:12 PM   #24
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I agree with the ****ty driver's bringing times down, but look at it from this spin.


The average TIMES are much lower than 13.8, 13.3 may have been generous, but between this forum and a few others, s197's are pulling low low 13's, even high 12's, with just an intake and a tune, which is what the 2010's come with, all be it not as good quality tune/intake, still an upgrade, and once you add in the 3.73 gears, 13.3, isn't too hard for someone who owns the car and drives it often, in fact, that could very well be an average time, at the slowest 13.5 (as an average), maybe. And the dictionary.com thing was unnecessary, I know you know your stuff on here (didn't know you can say sh-it haha) but the average driver is far different from the average time. If you do some research, you will see most magazines are pulling 13.5's (13.8 is very slow, and not good driving) and many people are going below that, with no power mods.


Sure, magazine testers drive cars for a living, but its very different driving a car once or twice down a track, and actually owning the car and driving it often, getting to know it, and breaking it in.
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Also, after digging a little deeper, I don't think Road and track is the best reference, especially for the fact that they can't get a 400hp mustang in the the high twelves, let alone low twelves/high elevens.

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Sorry Swat79, I'm not buying it. I see most people running high 13's with their stock '05/'09 3v's. The best anyone has ever run is 13.27. I can see the 3.73's and the 15hp bump that best time down into the 13.0x arena. But the main hindrance for the average driver is getting out of the hole w/out bogging or spinning and I don't think even w/3.73's the average driver will see lower '60's with a '10. The main difference will be the 2mph trap advantage. Your average driver will still be in the mid-high 13's. Just like the average driver in an F-body LS1 pulls mid-13's even though the very best will run high 12's.

Also, Track Pack will not help a car run the 1/4 quicker, if anything it will hurt it because a firmer front suspension hinders weight transfer to the rear tires.
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With the upgraded tires that come with the track pack, it allows them to get out of the hole quicker, so in turn it does help lower their 60'.

There's nothing to "buy" its not like I'm making this stuff up, 3.73's, 15hp, 5 lbft of torque, and the upped rev limiter are absolutely enough to bring the time down from a standard s197, furthermore, if you add in the track pack, that time can come down further.
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With the upgraded tires that come with the track pack, it allows them to get out of the hole quicker, so in turn it does help lower their 60'.

There's nothing to "buy" its not like I'm making this stuff up, 3.73's, 15hp, 5 lbft of torque, and the upped rev limiter are absolutely enough to bring the time down from a standard s197, furthermore, if you add in the track pack, that time can come down further.
Like I said, I think the '10's are capable of faster times but I think your out to lunch if you think average times are going to drop a half second in the '10. Everyone here seems to disagree with you, as do I.

Do you think average LS1 drivers low 13's?

Do think the average '11 GT driver will get 12.9's?

Do more research................ I don't really feel like continuing this debate. Hopefully someone like Morbid will stumble into this thread and write a good four paragraphs on why you're wrong.

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For what it's worth I just looked on dragtimes.com and the lowest 2010 et I saw was 13.4
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For what it's worth I just looked on dragtimes.com and the lowest 2010 et I saw was 13.4

Yeah I looked on there, but there was only 4 or 5 drag times, so its hard to run with that.


13.8 as an average time, is incorrect. So is 13.3, as I said earlier, but that won't be a difficult time to accomplish. And no one needs to write a 4 page essay as to why i'm "wrong", the 2010 mustang gt, is not a high 13 second car. If you guys say that the 05-09's are 13.8's as well, then at the highest, the 2010 would be 13.6, because in all of the magazine times, they have pulled 2 tenths faster in the quarter. But even that is untrue, because the s197 is not a high 13 second car either.

And again, there is a difference between the average DRIVER and average TIMES. Average times for ls1's are absolutely low 13s. We all have no idea about the 2010, it could be a mid 13 second car just like the 2010 with a supercharger that road and track tested. It doesn't matter if no one else agrees with me (btw, people have) because I no one has told me what the "right" answer is, so as far as its concerned no one is correct, until they put down some facts, which as I said eariler, is at the highest an average of around 13.5/13.6, high 13s.
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