TRexGAWD

Until you drive one.. I love WRXs and really enjoyed mine a lot. but the weight advantage alone of the BRZ if it were pushing 300HP would be a huge difference and make up for the AWD and destroy a base model WRX and compete with the STI.. I'm saying that one or the other will not sell.. The prices would be comparable either people like yourself will rather have the WRX (as would I) therefore limiting sales on the BRZ or people will realize the BRZ is faster and limiting sales on the WRX.. And in both circumstances they would completely erase themselves from the 25K dollar market.. The BRZ right now is to the WRX as what the V6 Mustang is to the GT. They can appeal to a wider market based on the wider price difference... Now if they can turbo it and keep it at 25K base price then we're talking.

justinschmidt1

I wasnt saying to eliminate the non turbo version though...just make a more performance oriented version....turbo and a few other things, sell it for 30k.

TRexGAWD

I gotcha now.. I'm sure there will be a crap ton of turbo goodies coming out right away.. Boxer engines love boost.

justinschmidt1

Yea, that one company already was working on a kit but I thought they said it was gonna be like 7k though.

TRexGAWD

That sounds about right for a newly designed kit.. Give it a year and it will be 5K and many different companies will have them.. I'm sure someone's already fabricating their own kit using WRX pieces as we speak, ha..

1.5LofFury

they're within 2 inches of each other dimensionally actually. the BRZ is slightly shorter in overall length, but has a 6 inch longer wheelbase (101.2" vs 95.5"). it's also 2" - 2.5" wider than the FD3.

crazy thing is, this car will basically be Toybaru's FD3 once the STi version comes out. it's supposed to be a 250bhp N/A flat 4 opposed to the 200bhp stocker, and it should be even lighter too

TRexGAWD

That is complete rumor.. STI belongs to the Imprezza badge and always has.. It would be like Mitsubishi coming out with a Galant EVO.. Sure they might make a more powerful version of the BRZ but it will not be badged an STI.

And it would still never compare to the RX7... The beauty of the RX7 was the handling and control you had.. The placement of the engine, the super low center of gravity, everything about it was pure sex. Not saying the BRZ wont be quick and handle well but after owning an RX7 even my WRX didn't compare handling wise.

1.5LofFury

numbers wise, they are within a c*nt hair. the BRZ actually has a 1/4" lower COG than the FD3 iirc.

ps, the "STi" label has been put on both the Legacy and the Forester. they can put it on any of their cars, because it's Subaru's racing division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_..._International

TRexGAWD

I highly doubt that but if I see numbers I will believe it..


And that is only for the foreign market and a very limited production. So I take it back that there isn't any STI but Imprezzas, since there technically is. But there aren't any in the US market or any other market except for Japan and NZ and only a couple hundred..

1.5LofFury

i was wrong, BRZ has an 18 and 1/8th inch CG, FD3 is 17" CG.

length: RX7 - 168.5" BRZ - 166.9"
width: RX7 - 68.9" BRZ - 69.9"
height: RX7 - 48.8" BRZ - 50.6"
wheelbase: RX7 - 95.5" BRZ - 101.2"
weight: RX7 - 2789lbs BRZ - 2620lbs

the RX7 wins in weight distribution, 50:50 vs 53:47 for the Toybaru.

by the numbers they're pretty damn close though.