Buzzstang

you could alway put a c-4 tranny with a neal chance converter with the stall around 3000 rpm and it would snap your neck off. and it is consistant.

turboeeyore

look, if the timing get's retarded, it has to go back to where it was(advance) and i know for a fact that a stock 2.3l will NOT take the boost from a turbo, also, a turbo timer has nothing to do with cooling... that's what oil lines are for. i talkes to a guy that built one(turbo stang) and he tried to add a turbo to a stock 2.3....first spool of the turbo it dropped a crank bearing, so don't come here talking like you know everything.I haven't done a turbo project yet and yes i don't hardly know anything, but i do know what a dozen people have told me, that have all been in this for a long while, one was a volkswagon mechanic,one owns 2 turbo talons,one owns a 83 buick t type 4 barrel 3.8 turbo and 2 86 grand nationals,and the rest were merker xr4ti owners,turbo ranger and stang owners,and i did own a 85 t- bird turbocoupe, so i don't know much about turbos...but i know what NOT to do.

turboeeyore

if you think that there all the same block your talking out your *** and you've never even seen a 2.3l turbo, the blocks are different seeings as the turbo has heavy duty crank bearings, andone has lower compression( i can verify this)than the other..but with a name like jeep we never expected you to know anything about fords.lol..listen buddy i may not know alot and you say QUOTE "someone might believe you" maybe you should take your own advice! you are going to cost somone alot of money if they do what you say,and i havent said anything that will break anything...i just try to get them to do it right..you say it's no problem to do this turbo upgrade,i say research it and make sure there doing it right before they spend more money than they have to. i just wanna help, and i dont need any trouble from you, i'm here to have fun.,maybe you should do the same.

turboeeyore

well i found out that you are right and that is what a turbo timer does,my deepest apologys, he said he called this "machine" a turbotimer because it retards the boost, so i misnamed it, still, this retarding still needs to be done and the stock ecm isn't going to do it, and this sound like a rich project a jeep owner would do.

94teggy

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Again, what the hell...I don't know where your source for this information is but they are wrong....just wrong...</P>


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A turbo timer's SOLE purpose is to allow the oil that lubricates the turbo time to circulate and cool down. Nothing more, nothing less. You runa turbocar hard and then shut it directly off...then guess what, after enough times of doing that the oil is going to begin to destroy the bearings in the turbo. Then that will lead to "shaft-play" of the turbo's turbine. Then guess what happens next...you're cruisin along, checkin your naws pressure gauge, pimpin your car, revving at every car you see, flooring it...basically being a jackass and running the car hard, then all of a sudden, remember those neglected bearings, yeah well they give you a big f*ck you and sieze up...then bye bye turbo, you've just ruined it.</P>


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The moral of the story is turbo timers SOLE, SOLE, SOLE DAMNIT purpose is cooling....not retarting timing, not retarding and increasing boost(that's a boost controller), and not there to look cool and pose like you have a turbo...it's to allow the turbo to cool down.</P>


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lloydchristmas

Now that we all know how I feel, lets remember that this is supposed to be a friendly forum and while we do get aggrivated sometimes we must remember that not everyone in here has the mechanical knowledge of Jeep, myself or many of the other more advanced members. Try not to tear anyone apart. We dont want to hurt anyones feelings. Everyone is here to learn.

lloydchristmas

If your making fun of someone who is trying to learn then yes your "incredibly helpful post" will be deleted. If you can correct the mistake and treat the guy like a human being then it wont. Bottom line end of story

jeep45238

I treat people like human beings. It's just hard to see.

If I sit there and blow their head off I'm treating them like deer.

jeep45238

Very hypocritical of you to delete my post since it proved him wrong....but happened to rip on someone that doesn't have a backbone. But you leave his up with no countering posts but teggy's? C'mon.

I say better to let him learn his lesson that he can't bulls**t gearheads, to quit posting mis-information (he corrected it what, twice and it's still wrong?)




To sum it all up in one nice bundle:


Turbo timers have nothing to do with spark

To the best of my knowledge they are the same block.....Sounds to me like the only thing you'd really need that would simplify things would be the computer and harness for timing control.......if it's not based off a distributor (never fooled around on a 2.3 personally).

It's not that bad if you follow directions, take it slowly, and have others to help out if you're not sure. It's the tuning part that's a pain in the ***.

No it's not. I drive a 4 banger daily that's an assload lighter than a stang. A good tune up would do your car better for performance.

Or you could sit there with a flap wheel and bore out the stock one yourself? It works great and costs less than $7 to do (assuming you have a drill), and helps out your mid/high end a lot.

Sure it will, as long as you don't try getting stupid and push the envelope.

The turbo timer allows engine oil to circulate through the bearings after the motor's been turned off, which cools them and prolongs turbo life.

That doesn't mean anything. I know people who have blown rods out the sides of blocks driving to work. Does that mean that the whole engine seiries sucks? No, it doesn't.

So three Regal T types? Great cars, but the carb'd versions suck.

Cranks and compression ratios aren't part of the block bud.

With a name like Smuckers it has to be good. I fail to see how what I used to drive affects my knowledge when it comes to gasoline engines, considering they all work on the same basis no matter who made it.

What haven't you said that isn't wrong and won't possibly cause failure of a motor? In a worst case sinerio, turning an engine on will f**k it up. At least I'm not lying or talking out of my ***.

Research is always key, and believe me, and I more than know what's involved.

That would be a boost controler...and it's called turning down, dialing down, depressurizing....first time I've head of retarding boost.

Yes, retarding of the SPARK needs to be done. The blah blah blah blah ecm you talked about in a swap would probably swap right over, so just do that. Still a stock ecm that'll do the job.


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BCisme

dang turboeeyore.....<IMG src=smileys/smiley18.gif border="0">