engine vibration
10-29-2009, 06:11 PM
#1
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: TX
Posts: 4
engine vibration
Sorry for the long post, but I want to give as much detail and history as I can.
Here are the particulars:
2000 Mustang with 3.8l engine and automatic transmission.
Around 148,000 miles
Most recently driven by inattentive college age daughter.
First noticed excessive vibration that you could feel in the steering wheel and hear in the dash and interior trim. Also noticed significant drop in gas mileage. No check engine light.
First mechanic said engine diagnostics were good, vibration caused by bad torque converter. Replaced torque converter -> Did not fix the problem.
Next mechanic found misfire on one cylinder. Replaced plugs, replaced one injector, cleaned other injectors -> Did not fix the problem. Parked the car for several months.
Next mechanic found a couple of plug wires that showed heat damage and were arcing, causing intermittent misfires. Also discovered it had a blown head gasket. (I'm pretty sure this happened when I drove it once during the time it was stored. It wasn't a problem when the earlier mechanics looked at it.) I had the heads checked & milled, replaced the head gaskets, plugs, plug wires, oil & filter. -> DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM.
Very frustrated now. It is not mis-firing, exhaust tune sounds right, and there is no loss of power. However, the vibration is still there. My mechanic believes the engine is 'out of balance' and suggests that it could be either the internal balance shaft & chain, or possibly we could have thrown a balance weight on the crankshaft (I didn't know these engines had weights on the crankshaft - is this true?). In hindsight we should have gone ahead and torn down the entire engine when we had the heads off so we could eliminate all possibilities. The car is put back together now and it seems to run fine except for the vibration that will not go away. I suppose we could just drive it till it fails, then either rebuild the motor or replace it with one from the junk yard.
Any suggestions from the experts here? Is there something unique to this engine that we are overlooking ? Or something obvious we haven't considered? I've spent too much on it already considering the value of the vehicle. However, I really don't like the idea of problem that can't be diagnosed and solved.
Here are the particulars:
2000 Mustang with 3.8l engine and automatic transmission.
Around 148,000 miles
Most recently driven by inattentive college age daughter.
First noticed excessive vibration that you could feel in the steering wheel and hear in the dash and interior trim. Also noticed significant drop in gas mileage. No check engine light.
First mechanic said engine diagnostics were good, vibration caused by bad torque converter. Replaced torque converter -> Did not fix the problem.
Next mechanic found misfire on one cylinder. Replaced plugs, replaced one injector, cleaned other injectors -> Did not fix the problem. Parked the car for several months.
Next mechanic found a couple of plug wires that showed heat damage and were arcing, causing intermittent misfires. Also discovered it had a blown head gasket. (I'm pretty sure this happened when I drove it once during the time it was stored. It wasn't a problem when the earlier mechanics looked at it.) I had the heads checked & milled, replaced the head gaskets, plugs, plug wires, oil & filter. -> DID NOT FIX THE PROBLEM.
Very frustrated now. It is not mis-firing, exhaust tune sounds right, and there is no loss of power. However, the vibration is still there. My mechanic believes the engine is 'out of balance' and suggests that it could be either the internal balance shaft & chain, or possibly we could have thrown a balance weight on the crankshaft (I didn't know these engines had weights on the crankshaft - is this true?). In hindsight we should have gone ahead and torn down the entire engine when we had the heads off so we could eliminate all possibilities. The car is put back together now and it seems to run fine except for the vibration that will not go away. I suppose we could just drive it till it fails, then either rebuild the motor or replace it with one from the junk yard.
Any suggestions from the experts here? Is there something unique to this engine that we are overlooking ? Or something obvious we haven't considered? I've spent too much on it already considering the value of the vehicle. However, I really don't like the idea of problem that can't be diagnosed and solved.
10-29-2009, 10:17 PM
#5
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: New York
Posts: 47
yea...I would like to hear what the other members say about this...How are your engine mounts? did you clean your MAF sensor? My engine has been vibrating a bit more than usual...so I'm beginning to look into this problem.
10-30-2009, 10:37 AM
#6
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: TX
Posts: 4
Thanks Fink - re: the Harmonic Balancer - exactly what would I be looking for when checking it?
PKRFACE86 - re: MAF Sensor - I have not cleaned it, but based on what I've read I should do this regardless (also need to do the same for my 05 F150). I searched and couldn't find a 'how-to' on the MAF Sensor. Any details would be appreciated.
PKRFACE86 - re: MAF Sensor - I have not cleaned it, but based on what I've read I should do this regardless (also need to do the same for my 05 F150). I searched and couldn't find a 'how-to' on the MAF Sensor. Any details would be appreciated.
10-30-2009, 12:25 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: TX
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Is this the MAF Sensor in the center of the picture?
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...g?t=1256923876
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...g?t=1256923876
Last edited by jdwestsr; 10-30-2009 at 12:34 PM.
11-03-2009, 04:41 PM
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Location: New York
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11-03-2009, 05:57 PM
#10
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Location: Florida
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Is this the MAF Sensor in the center of the picture?
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...g?t=1256923876
http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/t...g?t=1256923876
